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Onderwerp: Overtake a Defend Risks |
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#1 geplaatst Jul 20 2020, 23:15:08
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Hi mates,
Can anyone help me to understand how the overtaking and defense risk fully work?
Obviously the higher those risks, the higher is the chance to overtake, to not be undertaken, resulting in more pilot energy consumption and I also believe that the errors of the pilot will happen more often, but what I don't know how it works in other eventual factors.
Does a higher overtake and defense risk result in a higher fuel and/or tyre consumption?
And are there other things to have in mind concerning to this risks?
Tks
Cheers
Marco Pombo
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#2 geplaatst Jul 21 2020, 00:33:31
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very interesting topic , clearly the best thing to do .
compare your own data .
as for me : i am still in the discovery level of this issue !
i go ( 30-30-30-30-30 ) energy list 45%
next time on same track
i go ( 40-40-30-30-30 ) energy lost 50%
as there is some tracks repeated every season ( nearly )
from energy different, i came to conclusion, that it is effecting in every meaning .
but as of your question, next repeated race , i will try to observe , the TYRE USED LEVEL .
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Quote ( Marco Pombo @ July 20th 2020,23:15:08 ) Can anyone help me to understand how the overtaking and defense risk fully work?
I'd say no.
And to be clear, it's quite unlikely people will reveal "fully".
• No revealing detailed information about the game
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Quote ( Marco Pombo @ July 20th 2020,23:15:08 ) Does a higher overtake and defense risk result in a higher fuel and/or tyre consumption?
I could say "no", but it would still be better if you tried yourself :)
After all, it takes only 1 race of your future potential thousands of races to try a different kind of risks than you've used before
Quote ( Marco Pombo @ July 20th 2020,23:15:08 ) And are there other things to have in mind concerning to this risks?
Maybe, but that's something you're probably gonna need to find out yourself.
There's an obvious way to do that :)
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#4 geplaatst Jul 21 2020, 06:03:14
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Quote ( Toni Kazanjyan @ July 21st 2020,00:33:31 ) i go ( 30-30-30-30-30 ) energy list 45%
next time on same track
i go ( 40-40-30-30-30 ) energy lost 50%
But will that give useful data if your driver stats are different for the second race?
Something to think about 🙂
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Marco, there's 9 Rookies in your Road Academy team.
Find two that have similar part wear with the same risks. Once you have two of those, put it to the test: have one crank up that Overtake risk and see if the wear increases for him/her.
Then replace "part wear" with "fuel load" above, repeat.
Waiting to hit the same race track twice will take quite some time, next to the other obvious downside that Graham already pointed out.
@Mikko, it's not forbidden to give someone some pointers while your slapping them in the face with your FOBY boner, you know that, right?
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#6 geplaatst Jul 21 2020, 08:50:53
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Quote ( Graham Mercer @ July 21st 2020,06:03:14 ) Quote ( Toni Kazanjyan @ July 21st 2020,00:33:31 )
i go ( 30-30-30-30-30 ) energy list 45%
next time on same track
i go ( 40-40-30-30-30 ) energy lost 50%
But will that give useful data if your driver stats are different for the second race?
Something to think about 🙂
it is not , 100% accurate, that’s for sure , but that’s my method.
it is not the exact numbers i get ( i failed to say ) AS EXAMPLE .
and in my experiment, that was not my potential.
i was simply trying to find out ( driver error limit )
when it is moving from (1) to (2) .
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ July 21st 2020,08:14:02 ) @Mikko, it's not forbidden to give someone some pointers, you know that, right?
@Miel Soeterbroek (M3) Yes I do. I thought I was doing that too, as it's so obvious :)
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#8 geplaatst Jul 21 2020, 11:27:08
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The dude just crawled out of rookie, and was clearly looking for some tips.
You rightfully point out the foby thang here btw, but give the lad some ammo for that. Your message above just felt a bit harsh :D
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ July 21st 2020,11:27:08 ) Your message above just felt a bit harsh :D
That's always a possibility, the "harshness" is unintended... Maybe it's a by-product of Country.
Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ July 21st 2020,11:27:08 ) You rightfully point out the foby thang here btw, but give the lad some ammo for that.
ok how's this one:
Quote ( Marco Pombo @ July 20th 2020,23:15:08 ) Does a higher overtake and defense risk result in a higher fuel and/or tyre consumption?
Find 2 races with similar "particulars"
i.e
Race 2 (that's today) Magny Cours: Fuel consumption: Medium (try OT/Def 0)
Race 4 Brno Fuel consumption: Medium (Try OT/Def 100)
See if there's a difference in fuel usage. Note even when tracks are same rating, it doesn't mean they have the exact same natural usage, there may be some variances. So instead check if the risks cause significant difference
And when you find 2 "similar enough" situations for tyres, (or any other aspect between earth and heaven) you can make comparisons to make preliminary deductions and potentially find your answer "has or has not an effect".
This method may or may not ruin your race, but it's a way to make a deduction in just one race, and one race isn't really all that much when there's further thousands to come :)
Maybe I thought it too obvious :)
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#10 geplaatst Jul 21 2020, 13:32:27 (laatst aangepast Jul 21 2020, 13:43:05 door Marco Pombo)
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Thank you all, and I mean all ;), for your help.
I'll make some tests and I'll share here the results in gratitude for the time you spent giving you feedback :)
Cheers
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In real life, if you drive your car more "sporty" you can expect higher wear on things like your tyres or your brakes and suspension and so on. So, in the game, is it true that risks might influence tyre wear and parts wear? Who knows :)))) Anyway, just by reading the rules we can discover that risks influence your performance in qualifying and races and of course are related to your driver energy
Hope i didn't brake any rules witht this message
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ July 21st 2020,08:14:02 ) Marco, there's 9 Rookies in your Road Academy team.
Find two that have similar part wear with the same risks. Once you have two of those, put it to the test: have one crank up that Overtake risk and see if the wear increases for him/her.
Then replace "part wear" with "fuel load" above, repeat.
Waiting to hit the same race track twice will take quite some time, next to the other obvious downside that Graham already pointed out.
@Mikko, it's not forbidden to give someone some pointers while your slapping them in the face with your FOBY boner, you know that, right?
FOBY boner. I'm done!
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ July 21st 2020,11:43:45 ) That's always a possibility, the "harshness" is unintended... Maybe it's a by-product of Country.
I think observing Mikko over the years, This is him as a person. I don't think he means things the way they come across on the forum. One persons tomato is another persons tomato. ;)
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#13 geplaatst Jul 21 2020, 16:12:04
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diminishing returns...unexpected consequences,,....sorry I was talking about our president back to GRPO....
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#14 geplaatst Jul 21 2020, 16:24:18
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Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ July 21st 2020,11:43:45 ) That's always a possibility, the "harshness" is unintended..
Only my messages are intentionally harsh.
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#15 geplaatst Jan 28 2021, 14:24:41
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Hi
Does anyone know if the pilot energy influences the qualifying performance?
I mean can the pilot qualify better with 100% of energy than 80% or less of energy?
Thank you
Stay safe
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#16 geplaatst Jan 28 2021, 14:32:47
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Energy has noting to do with quals.
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#17 geplaatst Jan 28 2021, 16:10:18
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ July 21st 2020,08:14:02 ) it's not forbidden to give someone some pointers while your slapping them in the face with your FOBY boner, you know that, right?
Please have 'one liner' of the season in the GPRO awards because I think we have a winner.
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#18 geplaatst Jan 28 2021, 16:37:55
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Quote ( Keri Lovell @ January 28th 2021,16:10:18 ) Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ July 21st 2020,08:14:02 )
it's not forbidden to give someone some pointers while your slapping them in the face with your FOBY boner, you know that, right?
Please have 'one liner' of the season in the GPRO awards because I think we have a winner.
The only problem is that it was like 5 seasons ago. 🤣
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#19 geplaatst Jan 28 2021, 16:43:00
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Quote ( Luke Frost @ January 28th 2021,16:37:55 ) Quote ( Keri Lovell @ January 28th 2021,16:10:18 )
Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ July 21st 2020,08:14:02 )
it's not forbidden to give someone some pointers while your slapping them in the face with your FOBY boner, you know that, right?
Please have 'one liner' of the season in the GPRO awards because I think we have a winner.
The only problem is that it was like 5 seasons ago. 🤣
Historical data never dies.
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Quote ( Toni Kazanjyan @ July 21st 2020,00:33:31 ) very interesting topic , clearly the best thing to do .
compare your own data .
as for me : i am still in the discovery level of this issue !
i go ( 30-30-30-30-30 ) energy list 45%
next time on same track
i go ( 40-40-30-30-30 ) energy lost 50%
as there is some tracks repeated every season ( nearly )
from energy different, i came to conclusion, that it is effecting in every meaning .
but as of your question, next repeated race , i will try to observe , the TYRE USED LEVEL .
exactly what i would do too
nuno it will because the driver will effectively be tired and produce slower laps
it will also effect the race laps as well
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#21 geplaatst Jan 28 2021, 17:49:46
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Overtake a Defend Risks /DM?
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#22 geplaatst Jan 28 2021, 19:07:39
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Quote ( Luke Frost @ January 28th 2021,16:37:55 ) The only problem is that it was like 5 seasons ago. 🤣
Oh, haha! Can it be won posthumously?
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#23 geplaatst Jan 28 2021, 19:10:17
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Quote ( Keri Lovell @ January 28th 2021,19:07:39 ) Can it be won posthumously?
For that we will have to wait much much longer :D
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#24 geplaatst Jan 28 2021, 19:33:18
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#25 geplaatst Jan 28 2021, 19:57:45
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#26 geplaatst Jan 29 2021, 13:42:04
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ January 28th 2021,19:33:18 ) Do we? :D
FOBY
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