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Onderwerp: Unexpected stamina increase |
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#121 geplaatst Feb 24 2008, 19:06:24 (laatst aangepast Feb 24 2008, 19:06:36 door Håkan Ferm)
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Hey Sotiris if Stamina is your only complaint then read above what i wrote ok
you can get stamina a lot cheaper than that way
and you usually do test not for stamina increase so if you did not do test i guess you did not
A: want to find a better rain/dry converting
B: want to or could afford to get more CCP onto car.
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Quote ( Vladimir Alexandrov @ February 24th 2008,18:54:58 )
Ok here is the official answer to cool you all down a bit.
The change was not planned and occured just hours from the first race since we considered it necessary. That's why it was not announced in advance. The effects of the change have been further tweaked and reduced for the future races.
So the conclusion is that it was partly bug, partly a feature :)
We will try to avoid making similar changes without announcing them in advance in the future even though we did not consider this change as big as to be worth announcing it.
Last season I spent circa $10million on fitness training. Over the winter I lost 7 stamina and gained 14kg. I did not test before the first race as that is simply not part of my strategy. Had I known my driver could recover his lost stamina from it, my strategy would almost certainly have been different. And now, I cant even replicate the strategy because the effect has been toned down for the next race?
This makes me pretty unhappy, all told.
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Quote ( Sotiris Hatzisavas @ February 24th 2008,19:02:00 )
But its still unfair to those who didnt test. What about it?? I think that this is still not solved. Are all the others going to take some stamina too or the ones that took are going to lose some??
test now and you will gain the same stamina as the others. nothing is lost, at least i think so.
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well altho i got a stamina increase it was no where near some reported figures.
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Well, I have done 1 session of training, a test session, and a fully completed race, that brought my stamina up a bit, but not a lot.
It's the same for me as it is for Nigel, not much stamina increase compared to others, but it's still more than expected.
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Quote ( Nigel Davis @ February 24th 2008,19:08:16 )
well altho i got a stamina increase it was no where near some reported figures.
I believe most people forgot that they had done training and therefore reported higher figures...
I got less than most people out of it, but I think I know why :)
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Quote ( Vladimir Alexandrov @ February 24th 2008,18:54:58 )
The change was not planned and occured just hours from the first race since we considered it necessary. That's why it was not announced in advance. The effects of the change have been further tweaked and reduced for the future races.
Thanks for the explanation.
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Either way, what's done is done, and the stamina wasn't enough of an increase to convert into race wins, and we know about future announcements within GPRO and how they will be interpreted.
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Quote ( Vladimir Alexandrov @ February 24th 2008,18:57:09 )
Even if we move a button with 1 pixel to the right? ;)
I think my "post reply" button moved a bit! :)
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its unnaccepetable!
take all the stamina or give them to everyone...
and fix this... it changes a lot the plan..
a lot of managers pays a lot for a driver with stamina.. they could have changed for a cheap one and boost it with training...or only tested to gain those cheap 7stamina points....train or test?keep the driver or not? a LOT change!
anyway.. its unbeliveble this move from the admins...
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Quote ( Håkan Ferm @ February 24th 2008,19:06:24 )
Hey Sotiris if Stamina is your only complaint then read above what i wrote ok
you can get stamina a lot cheaper than that way
and you usually do test not for stamina increase so if you did not do test i guess you did not
A: want to find a better rain/dry converting
B: want to or could afford to get more CCP onto car.
Dear mister phantom:
Lets imagine I train fitness 17 races per season...
For A and B, I also have got good enough results that the biggest results would come from extra testing stamina... well I also do so much testing laps any way per season that if we take in to account the off season lose I can grow my drivers stamina at double speeds than usual and that does change the testing and long term driver philosophy a lot...
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Quote ( Marcelo Michelini @ February 24th 2008,19:17:38 )
I think my "post reply" button moved a bit! :)
Hmmm.... I had problems to hit it clicking as usual... :)
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Quote ( Junior Almeida @ February 24th 2008,19:55:10 )
take all the stamina
not possible because some managers have changed their plan for next driver training.
e.g Yoga instead of Fitness because they had these some extra point.
Quote ( Junior Almeida @ February 24th 2008,19:55:10 )
its unnaccepetable!
you have to or quit the game, but i hope a master like you can handle this problem.
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Quote ( Heite Schaumann @ February 24th 2008,20:13:37 )
you have to or quit the game, but i hope a master like you can handle this problem.
changes were all announced.... change its not the problem, keeping it low until season start is.
ooowww and they have changed their plan? nice.. i couldnt do that because i didnt know of the stamina boost :p... very nice...
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Be sure, if we would have announced something, we wouldnt have said that testing might increase stamine. So the discussion is a bit odd...
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Stefan please take a note of this while you are online:
Quote ( Gatis Laugalis  @ February 23rd 2008,16:36:31 ) By the way /DriverGraph.asp?default=yes needs a check box to show... say the last 1-3 seasons cos having a driver since season 3 has made lanes and descriptions a bit blurry and the graph is some what unusable...
Thanks! ;)
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 24th 2008,20:25:05 )
Be sure, if we would have announced something, we wouldnt have said that testing might increase stamine. So the discussion is a bit odd...
Quote ( Toni Metsänkylä @ February 23rd 2008,17:07:38 )
Has anybody actually confirmed that it was because of testing?
*whistles*
e: or did you mean that those who didn't test and now whine, wouldn't have tested even in the case you would've announced a change (not mentioning that it comes with testing)?
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okay, I will have a look at it - but it will be tomorrow or tuesday :)
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Quote ( Toni Metsänkylä @ February 24th 2008,20:33:27 )
*whistles*
Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 24th 2008,20:25:05 )
we wouldnt have said that testing might increase stamine.
Maybe I didnt express myself well again, thats my poor stefflish :) Lets say it this way: we wouldnt have announced that something specific might increase stamina. Maybe just, that it could be easier to gain stamina in the future. Thats all.
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 24th 2008,20:25:05 )
Be sure, if we would have announced something, we wouldnt have said that testing might increase stamine. So the discussion is a bit odd...
what you would have announced?
*testing will now increase some driver skill after race? or something like that more blurry?
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Quote ( Junior Almeida @ February 24th 2008,20:35:59 )
what you would have announced?
I have now edited my post above yours.
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Quote ( Gatis Laugalis @ February 24th 2008,20:13:33 ) my drivers stamina at double speeds than usual and that does change the testing and long term driver philosophy a lot..
Yes Gatis if you consider all 17 races yes, but the question was only the 1 missed opportunity
divide that 1 by 17 and you should know just by looking at 1 and 17 that it has not meant the world ;)
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just to clarify: this stamina feature will not be for all races? just the first one to recover season off lose?
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Quote ( Junior Almeida @ February 24th 2008,20:52:30 )
just to clarify: this stamina feature will not be for all races? just the first one to recover season off lose?
Quote ( Vladimir Alexandrov @ February 24th 2008,18:54:58 )
The effects of the change have been further tweaked and reduced for the future races.
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Quote ( Junior Almeida @ February 24th 2008,20:52:30 )
just to clarify: this stamina feature will not be for all races? just the first one to recover season off lose?
If it is just for the first race, then its even more unfair!! >:(
What if I planned on doing training in order to boost my drivers stamina???
Admins, why dont you give a clear explanation?? A clear one though!! A bug or not?? Is it for all the races or not?? Just this season or not?? There are many questions above that need to be answered!!
QuoteQuote ( Vladimir Alexandrov @ February 24th 2008,18:54:58 )
The effects of the change have been further tweaked and reduced for the future races.
Then its still unfair. Again, the players that tested first have an, even slight, advantage.
"So...?? Its a 'slight' advantage!" Details make the difference! ;)
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Quote ( Evaldas Dzimanavicius @ February 24th 2008,02:57:38 )
Isn't to early to judge only after one race! You can't predict, how really this will change game, so just wait and we will see...
Isn't that obvious? Just by the way it started...
Who had programmed 1 testing session before the first race get a Stamina boost without even know it. So it was purely random the chance for you to have a Stamina boost throught testing. And from now on it's impossible to make a testing session with such a boost. Some managers were lucky, some not. But it's really unfair. Even if I knew it in advance, I wouldn't make the testing session anyway. And to me it's a bit strange that a testing session gives Stamina. Why not a race?
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Quote ( Sotiris Hatzisavas @ February 24th 2008,20:59:20 )
Admins, why dont you give a clear explanation?? A clear one though!!
You wont get a clearer answer as Vlad gave in post #115. It is clear enough, you just have to read it.
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 24th 2008,21:06:59 )
Quote ( Sotiris Hatzisavas @ February 24th 2008,20:59:20 )
Admins, why dont you give a clear explanation?? A clear one though!!
You wont get a clearer answer as Vlad gave in post #115. It is clear enough, you just have to read it.
I agree.
It's just up to the managers to adapt to this change.
I can see the reasons for it, even if I'm not one of those that will benefit the most out of it. (but some of my teammates will) :)
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Quote ( Toni Metsänkylä @ February 24th 2008,21:10:21 )
It's just up to the managers to adapt to this change.
If this change was made with other one that is the impossibility of 1 car finish the race with the majority of the car parts at 99%, I think it is acceptable. But the change made like this it's only to those managers that are loaded of money (because they passed more than half of a season finishing races smoking and not buying car parts) can invest with no problems in testing sessions and for they are the real benefit with this change.
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Quote ( Stefan Voggenreither @ February 24th 2008,21:06:59 )
You wont get a clearer answer as Vlad gave in post #115. It is clear enough, you just have to read it.
But I still have some questions. :/
Anyways, I have to go to bed now. Pretty exhausting day for me! :S Goodnight to you all!! :) I will back tomorrow with more questions that I have though in my sleep!! :D Just joking! :P
cya!
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My driver got stamina too...
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