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#331 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 21:28:33
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Well if you are lecturing others about assumptions you think they made, you could expect others to lecture you when being rude using capitals
Denigrating responses will not help by the way but it does tell a lot about yourself.
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#333 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 21:31:58
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Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ September 11th 2016,21:28:33 ) What's DE delta? He could tell you, but he'd have to kill you first.
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#334 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 21:34:36 (ostatnio edytowany Wrz 11 2016, 21:35:06 przez Matt Kasar)
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ September 11th 2016,21:31:58 ) Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ September 11th 2016,21:28:33 )
What's DE delta? He could tell you, but he'd have to kill you first.
Kirsty, could you add 'oldest joke of the season' to the oscars please?
if you do #nominate wrinkly winkley's wrinkly 'joke'
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Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ September 11th 2016,21:28:33 ) What's DE delta? DE ÷ Driver Energy; Delta ÷ Difference (mathematic). Sorry.
Michael: logic and fantasy! :):):)
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#336 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 21:37:37
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Matt, I thought that you were the oldest joke in GPRO.
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#337 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 21:40:22
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ September 11th 2016,21:37:37 ) Matt, I thought that you were the oldest joke in GPRO.
BOOM - About time you got in some revenge :D
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#338 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 21:41:49
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Quote ( Michael Winkley @ September 11th 2016,21:37:37 ) Matt, I thought that you were the oldest joke in GPRO.
No Winkley.
Your mum was.
*ba-dum-tsh*
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#339 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 21:45:38 (ostatnio edytowany Wrz 11 2016, 21:48:02 przez Veres Tamás)
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We have been tested it with two, 99% similar driver and carparts are all the same +wear too, same quali risk, and... this is random....:) there is no logic, my team mate lost +2% energy than me
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#340 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 21:46:37
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all those similars add up
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#341 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 21:48:31
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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ September 11th 2016,21:36:02 ) DE ÷ Driver Energy; Delta ÷ Difference (mathematic). Sorry.
Ah, I thougt DE would be driver error. I would guess it's still something over 0, but no idea obviously.
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#342 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 21:58:04
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Quote ( Jukka Sireni @ September 11th 2016,21:48:31 ) Ah, I thougt DE would be driver error. Okay. DM (PH - in Hungarian ÷ Pilóta Hiba) ÷ Driver Mistake. :):):)
DE ÷ Driver Energy.
Jukka! Tx. ===0.
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#343 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 22:07:40
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Isn't DE for Germany? Still can't get how's clear track risk related to Germany :D
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#344 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 22:11:04
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I honestly thought it was Defend risk :)
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Quote ( Roland Postle @ September 11th 2016,22:11:04 ) I honestly thought it was Defend risk :) :):):):)---> DT; OT; CT; wCT; ......
Quote ( Virgis Lyss @ September 11th 2016,22:07:40 ) Isn't DE for Germany? GER.
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#346 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 22:16:35
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All the complaining is doing my head in. At first I was quite surprised and a bit scared, but after thinking about it and having a couple of theories I actually believe that this is going to be great (despite many will surely keep complaining for a long time no matter what).
Sure for the first couple of races it's going to be difficult to get it right, but I'd say by using some common sense and looking at how other things in GPRO work (as there could be a relation to other things) it won't be that bad even in the first races.
I mean surely the "safe bet" is to lower the risks in the first race especially in the lower leagues and depending on your driver. I'm sure many can guess what driver skills are actually important and thus "guesstimate" how much risk they might be able to handle considering that only the best drivers can go a full race on 100 CT.
Of course it's also depending on the track but like I said above with some common sense and a good understanding in other areas of the game this will probably give you a good idea about that too.
As for the plans, I'm actually in the same boat as Matt. I promoted one season early (accidential promotion even) so I missed out on the extra sponsor as well and I'd now be ready to push for promotion to Elite and yet I'm really looking forward to this!
Even if I'm not promoting this wouldn't be bad because if you're prepared well, you shouldn't have any troubles to upgrade your whole package while not promoting in a supposed promotion season and then be set up nicely after hiring a new driver to try again 2-3 seasons later (possibly even stronger).
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#347 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 22:21:22
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Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ September 11th 2016,22:14:11 ) Quote ( Virgis Lyss @ September 11th 2016,22:07:40 )
Isn't DE for Germany? GER.
Your post makes me cry for mankind.
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#348 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 22:23:11
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Quote ( Virgis Lyss @ September 11th 2016,22:21:22 ) Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ September 11th 2016,22:14:11 )
Quote ( Virgis Lyss @ September 11th 2016,22:07:40 )
Isn't DE for Germany? GER.
Your post makes me cry for mankind. No problem.
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#349 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 22:30:58
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anyone written a bot yet to take energy readings at various times
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#350 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 22:38:17
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I get the concerns about real time replenishment. I don't get the concerns about replacing an unpredictable consequence with a controllable one.
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#351 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 22:41:54 (ostatnio edytowany Wrz 11 2016, 23:01:31 przez Ivan Salfa)
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The energy addition looks promising. Two things I see the need in pointing out.
One is, as it has been said in other posts, the energy regain disadvantage when you delay you Q's. The second is, that by not being able to intentionally delay your Qs, (at least when that is possible or desirable) the whole aspect of pre race psychological warfare on race strategy decisions with your head to head adversaries seem to be somewhat compromised. Cup, last promotion spot fights, to name two.
For me at least, when I am head to head with other managers, these pre-race mind games add a lot to the satisfaction in the game.
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#352 Opublikowane Wrz 11 2016, 22:46:36
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I get the concerns with the energy regain, but honestly I'd suggest people in Pro and higher (where late qualifying might be an advantage although I'm not really sold to that) to look first at the energy loss from Q's and how quickly it's regained. Then people might realize that this won't really be a problem at all. Also this could potentially be only a problem if your driver always regains energy to the full 100% between races. If he doesn't, then qualifying late is no disadvantage whatsoever.
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#353 Opublikowane Wrz 12 2016, 00:30:08
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Whereas I appreciate the intention, I think the implementation is not good. For one, I don't think this is actually intended to reduce the risk-related randoms, but to change the current fact that CT 100 is the way to go in every league but amateur (and in amateur if you want to go CT 100 the full season, you can do, anyways, because of the huge money there). I totally agree with that, because nowadays there isn't any strategy related to CT: you put CT 100 if you can, no matter the league, the only limiting factor being not promoting by mistake.
However, I don't understand how people think this rule will work against OBP. The very essence of OBP is to wait for appropriate conditions, get new parts and go full in. If on top of that your driver is well rested because he has been sandbagging and even DNF-ing, you won't only have weather and wear advantage, but also energy advantage above people who are consistently racing the whole season. This part is just academical, though, because OBP is extremely easy anyways even without the energy thing: it's just a matter of picking Contis and you're settled, so in that regards the energy addition will only make it easier something that was already super easy to begin with.
I'm more concerned about the fact the energy addition makes driver even more important. After all, his stats won't only matter for qualys and race pace, but also they will allow the better driver to use higher average CT during a season thanks to the lower energy use due to his higher stats. That puts newcomers in an even higher disadvantage than they already were, because a high proportion of retainers from the precedent season will have better drivers. Considering the fact CT is the most important factor in pace, for a newcomer being forced to use lower average CT during a season compared with most retainers is an extremely high penalty. This means many newcomers will be forced to either demote or go for OBP tyres, both options being bad for them anyways. Also, it is quite a contradiction: on one hand we got a sponsor rule to enhance promotions and then just one season afterwards we get a new rule that kicks newcomers in the balls. Quite weird, in my book.
I think there were plenty of options to modulate the CT risks in the different leagues, from the extreme measure of a CT hard cap to something less dramatic such as CT risks being more influential on car wear or less influential on race pace. This addition, in my opinion, was worse than those options due to the reasons previously stated.
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#354 Opublikowane Wrz 12 2016, 01:02:47
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Will the race analysis show energy and also more importantly when the energy ran out?
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#355 Opublikowane Wrz 12 2016, 02:05:20
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Quote ( Edwin Silva @ September 12th 2016,00:30:08 ) I'm more concerned about the fact the energy addition makes driver even more important. After all, his stats won't only matter for qualys and race pace, but also they will allow the better driver to use higher average CT during a season thanks to the lower energy use due to his higher stats. You're making an assumption that pace stats always improve a driver's energy use & regeneration situation, some of them may do the opposite (as is the case with one or two other things already). After all if he's driving faster/harder surely that's wearing him out more..
But there's a subtler effect too. If some divisions end up running lower CT than previously and we assume managers spend the same amount on car parts, which will now be wearing less, then that means higher level parts. Because of the very rapidly diminishing returns on higher level parts (and indeed test) spending that should bunch car pace up a little, again making drivers more important but will tighten the grid rather than loosening it
I don't think it matters either way though, it's all self-balancing. When you promote into a division with a lower-OA driver and generally weaker package you only have to beat other promoters. If the leaders are several minutes down the road using twice the CT who cares?
That said it will be interesting if using Spa training all promotion season turns out to be a way to go. That could make long-term drivers less favourable and cause exciting chaos to the whole driver production line
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#356 Opublikowane Wrz 12 2016, 02:07:53
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Quote ( Christoph Seifriedsberger @ September 11th 2016,22:46:36 ) I get the concerns with the energy regain, but honestly I'd suggest people in Pro and higher (where late qualifying might be an advantage although I'm not really sold to that) to look first at the energy loss from Q's and how quickly it's regained. Then people might realize that this won't really be a problem at all. Also this could potentially be only a problem if your driver always regains energy to the full 100% between races. If he doesn't, then qualifying late is no disadvantage whatsoever.
surely this only effects the first race though? as after we'll all be recovering energy from the first race prior to race 2's qualifying
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#357 Opublikowane Wrz 12 2016, 02:14:10
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Quote ( Edwin Silva @ September 12th 2016,00:30:08 ) However, I don't understand how people think this rule will work against OBP. OBP will still be an option, maybe even more tempting with the mass reduction of risks=) but it will always be a bad option.. so does it really matter if the change helps or hinders?
Looking to promote this season and have no issues with the timing, in fact 100% I would prefer it this season than next season retaining, "if" my promotion is successful :)
Brilliant change IMO!!! I've never been a BIG risk taker anyway =)
Also, I agree with Minkley:P Testing or certain testing should be included.
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#358 Opublikowane Wrz 12 2016, 03:53:17
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Quote ( Roland Postle @ September 12th 2016,02:05:20 ) I don't think it matters either way though, it's all self-balancing. When you promote into a division with a lower-OA driver and generally weaker package you only have to beat other promoters. If the leaders are several minutes down the road using twice the CT who cares?
Because of several reasons, Roland. For one, among those you have to defeat there are the OBPers, and currently for a newcomer it is almost impossible to defeat a Conti user in Pro or in Master. Last season, for instance, 26 from 28 Conti users in Master managed to retain, and it was a season with lower than average temperature. That, in practice, means you need to defeat ~15 managers on top of the ~5.2 Conti users average per group with granted promotion plus the most likely additional managers who will definitely pick Contis this season due to the energy addition.
Also, I think it is an exaggeration to state the frontrunners are using double the CT. Only 10-20 additional CT risk is required to get way better pace. Last season I was forced to go CT 80 in one race due to testing wear, and my result that race was 8 places lower than my average with CT 100, despite it was a lottery race in which everything went my way and despite I got 3 free places thanks to randoms by other people. That's what irks me. If having a +1 season trained driver (i.e. a retainer driver) allows you to use as little as +5 CT average in a season due to energy use, that's already a huge difference, and if a +1 season trained driver won't allow you to use +5 average CT risks in the season, the whole energy thing is pointless, because it would mean amateur level drivers would be able to go very close to CT 100 anyways.
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#359 Opublikowane Wrz 12 2016, 05:55:35
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Quote ( Christoph Seifriedsberger @ September 11th 2016,22:16:35 ) At first I was quite surprised and a bit scared
Like a downgraded Gloria Gaynor.
I'll be off to work then, sorry.
:)
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#360 Opublikowane Wrz 12 2016, 07:51:58
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Quote ( Brendan Evans @ September 12th 2016,01:02:47 ) Will the race analysis show energy and also more importantly when the energy ran out? You'll notice the lap time being markedly slower, as if you were smoking.
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