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Wątek: IN/OUT of pits at Monza |
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#1 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 03:18:12
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Admins,
I think that is very wrong the time in our game..Monza is the track that have the fastest IN/OUT pits in all season in the real F1.
or am I wrong?
ps:sorry bad english...
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#2 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 03:55:56
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according to this seems it is around 20 seconds, right?
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2007/782/6441/pit_sto...
I think it also includes the in/out plus the stop time, so if the stop was of about 10 seconds... yatta yatta! I think it is pretty accurate :)
the only thing I see different is the lap distance! :p
Circuit Length: 5.793 km
like 0.006km shorter in GPRO! :)
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#3 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 07:14:37
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I don't see 6M making a real difference in the race over 53 laps making it 318M short. The F1 cars would clear that length in a very short amount of time.
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#4 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 08:15:54
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Quote ( Justin Deal @ January 16th 2008,07:14:37 )
I don't see 6M making a real difference in the race over 53 laps making it 318M short. The F1 cars would clear that length in a very short amount of time.
Not without fuel they wouldn't. :P
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#5 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 08:50:08
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Quote ( Justin Deal @ January 16th 2008,07:14:37 )
I don't see 6M making a real difference
It does make a difference in penis size!
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#6 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 08:56:47
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6 metres? is that all! :)
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#7 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 09:47:47
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Quote ( Jos Roestenberg @ January 16th 2008,08:50:08 )
It does make a difference in penis size!
Please don't go there. There are young people who play the game, Like me.
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#8 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 10:52:26 (ostatnio edytowany Sty 16 2008, 10:52:40 przez Chris Williams)
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Quote ( Marcelo Michelini @ January 16th 2008,03:55:56 )
I think it also includes the in/out plus the stop time, so if the stop was of about 10 seconds... yatta yatta! I think it is pretty accurate :)
I always thought the GPRO "Time in/out of pits" was separate to your actual stationary time when you refuel and change tyres?
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Quote ( Marcelo Michelini @ January 16th 2008,03:55:56 ) according to this seems it is around 20 seconds, right?
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2007/782/64...
I think it also includes the in/out plus the stop time, so if the stop was of about 10 seconds... yatta yatta! I think it is pretty accurate :)
Nick Heidfeld BMW total pit time: 28.630
A fast pit in F1 is usually around 6-7s, so we get 21-22s in/out.
GPRO: Time in/out of pits 25.5s
That's over 3s difference!
IMHO GPRO tracks have most of the time slower in/outs than in real life... and with the loooooon looooong pit stop times (even in Elite) the final result is a) unreal b) 1 stop = GOOOOOOD 2 stop = BAAAAD.
(for understanding 2) a bit better you should google for "youtube napster bad" if you didn't see it yet)
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#10 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 11:46:40
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Quote ( Justin Deal @ January 16th 2008,09:47:47 )
Please don't go there. There are young people who play the game, Like me.
Yeah, young people don't have those things.
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#11 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 11:48:00
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Quote ( Peter Helcmanovsky @ January 16th 2008,11:36:08 )
... and with the loooooon looooong pit stop times (even in Elite) the final result is a) unreal b) 1 stop = GOOOOOOD 2 stop = BAAAAD.
Hmm, top 3 in elite and all masters used 2 stops in the previous race.
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#12 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 11:50:12
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Quote ( Chris Williams @ January 16th 2008,10:52:26 )
I always thought the GPRO "Time in/out of pits" was separate to your actual stationary time when you refuel and change tyres?
Of course it is...
Quote ( Peter Helcmanovsky @ January 16th 2008,11:36:08 )
IMHO GPRO tracks have most of the time slower in/outs than in real life... and with the loooooon looooong pit stop times (even in Elite) the final result is a) unreal b) 1 stop = GOOOOOOD 2 stop = BAAAAD.
It's the same for everybody, so no problem.
And a one stopper don't win you races all the time, it al depends on the combination of lap times, pitcrew times, the amount of fuel (laptimes and pittime).
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#13 Opublikowane Sty 16 2008, 13:39:58 (ostatnio edytowany Sty 16 2008, 13:40:14 przez Phil Tipton)
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Just going off the subject a sec but I noticed that at the start of this coming race its raining but it has 0% chance of rain. Sorry if this has been brought up before, any ideas why this is??
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Quote ( Phil Tipton @ January 16th 2008,13:39:58 )
Just going off the subject a sec but I noticed that at the start of this coming race its raining but it has 0% chance of rain. Sorry if this has been brought up before, any ideas why this is??
It actually has 0-1% chance of rain.
Therefore the start of the race obviously falls into this 1% ;)
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#15 Opublikowane Sty 17 2008, 12:25:31
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Niels and Jos: I would actually prefer the 2 stop strategy to be norm, and 3 and 1 to be variations.
Having only 1 variation in 2 stops strategy feels a bit dumb.
Also who cares what Masters do? I bet 1 stop would lead to better results in their groups.
Top 3 of Elite is 3 managers out of 39 having team/car/driver capable to use other than 1 stop strategy.
Don't you feel it's boring and having like 20% of managers using 3 or 1 stop vs 2 stops of others would lead to more fun?
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#16 Opublikowane Sty 17 2008, 12:55:02
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We agree on wanting the 2 stop strategy to be the 'normal' standard strategy.
Where we do not agree is the absolute statement that 1 is good and 2 is bad.
If this was the case, why did none of the podium places in the 5 highest ranking groups of GPRO use it last race?
I took a look at Amateur races too, and although therte were some one stoppers on the podiums, the vast majority were on two stops.
It is fair enough to want to generalise, bur please get it right.
Quote ( Peter Helcmanovsky @ January 17th 2008,12:25:31 )
Also who cares what Masters do?
If your focus is solely on Elite, I recommend that you post solely in the Elite forum, where you are likely to meet fewer managers that try to consider other groups as well.
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I find these kinda topics pretty funny :) Usually I have no idea what's been talked about and that makes it funny.
Yes I'm bored.
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#18 Opublikowane Sty 17 2008, 13:07:39
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Quote ( Niels Kjær @ January 17th 2008,12:55:02 )
Quote ( Peter Helcmanovsky @ January 17th 2008,12:25:31 )
Also who cares what Masters do?
If your focus is solely on Elite, I recommend that you post solely in the Elite forum, where you are likely to meet fewer managers that try to consider other groups as well.
Niels, I'm sure Peter cared in seasons 1 and 2! ;)
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#19 Opublikowane Sty 17 2008, 13:33:47
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Quote ( Marcelo Michelini @ January 16th 2008,03:55:56 )
the only thing I see different is the lap distance! :p
Circuit Length: 5.793 km
like 0.006km shorter in GPRO! :)
Looking at the picture used for this track, I'd assume GPRO stats for Monza are with the old first corner which went left right, left right before powering down the straight - whereas now it's just the single right left?
Maybe that's where the extra 6 metres came from ;)
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Quote ( Chris Williams @ January 17th 2008,13:33:47 )
Looking at the picture used for this track, I'd assume GPRO stats for Monza are with the old first corner which went left right, left right before powering down the straight - whereas now it's just the single right left?
Maybe that's where the extra 6 metres came from ;)
could be! this game is living in the past :p
although I don't get how if they took one corner and it is straight now, how could that be longer than the corner :|
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Quote ( Marcelo Michelini @ January 17th 2008,13:39:32 )
although I don't get how if they took one corner and it is straight now, how could that be longer than the corner :|
Well the old style first chicane at least carried on in a forward trajectory - and during the race they used to almost straight line the first one anyway (remember Hakkinen trying to do it TOO straight and skidding off in '99)...
With the new style first corner, they really have to slow down and go virtually 90º right which I'd assume is where the extra distance comes from...
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#22 Opublikowane Sty 17 2008, 14:04:14
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Quote ( Chris Williams @ January 17th 2008,13:58:47 )
Well the old style first chicane at least carried on in a forward trajectory
oh, so it is measured by the common trajectory and not by following the middle or one of the sides of the track, has sense then! :)
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#23 Opublikowane Sty 17 2008, 14:08:35
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#24 Opublikowane Sty 17 2008, 16:30:52
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The winner in Amateur 1 last race went for 3 stop. First time I've seen that in the group outside of wet races.
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