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points for 9th and tenth places
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#1 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 16:54:20
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The real life Grand Prix now award points up to tenth place, is the game ever going to go the same way as an extra 6 points for 3 ninth place finishes like ive finished this season so far would probably keep players playing for a whole season.
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#2 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 16:57:33
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How many times must we go through this? GPRO is not F1; GPRO is not real life. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.
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#3 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 16:59:50
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#4 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 17:31:44
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ August 21st 2019,16:59:50 ) Some light reading:
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This is worth 512486 pages to read :D
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#5 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 17:32:28
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#6 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 17:33:16
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Different suggestion, surely there is a point for fastest lap in this suggestion, behind the times man 😂🤣😂🤣
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#7 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 17:40:14
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Interesting that the first thread was almost 11 years ago ( 10.72 to be closer and appeal the COD of some) and ot was proposing a different points system that the one that F1 and GPRO shared at that moment.
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#8 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 18:02:37
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Quote ( Miel Soeterbroek @ August 21st 2019,16:59:50 ) Some light reading:
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=13180
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=28256
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=25904
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=27076
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=14387
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=21848
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=9984
/gb/forum/ViewTopic.asp?TopicId=5134
If only the forum had a search function. Oh wait... ;)
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#9 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 18:22:34
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only the first 6 cars should score points, lets make harder!
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Well, this is not a racing game... it's about management...
So, the points sistem is not important at all
edit
I'd like to have the 3rd voting possibility:
I dont care :D
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#11 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 18:50:31
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Quote ( Dusan Sevarlic @ August 21st 2019,18:40:27 ) Well, this is not a racing game... it's about management...
So, the points sistem is not important at all
Management and mostly based on money:
Points do affect management: you get $50K for every point at season's end.
Super rookies are penalized for every point
Points affect retention/relagation/promotion which also impacts on money gains
One of my teammates got so many points on a very close group that for a moment was P1, he had to sandbag the second half of the season to avoid promotion on this one, so he also managed his points.
So points are, directly and indirectly, part of the management.
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#12 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 19:03:36
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Try to make new season standingds for your group, 10 people in points...
I'm sure you'll not find any differences in top 5 or in bottom 20.
Then try to make it for all pro groups and result will be the same.
So, what's the point?
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#13 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 19:41:30
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Quote ( Dusan Sevarlic @ August 21st 2019,18:40:27 ) I dont care :D
+1
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#14 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 19:43:03
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Quote ( Dusan Sevarlic @ August 21st 2019,19:03:36 ) o, what's the point? nothing
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The definitive answer is, no, it's not like real F1, it's a management game, get over it and i'm embarrassed an English guy even raise this, however i note he doesn't even note where he's from so that speaks volumes.
Be proud of your heritage and where you come from even if it's embarrassing :-) and might be Norwich or some such out post. :-)
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#16 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 20:28:03
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Where's Sion when you need him? ;)
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#17 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 20:29:57
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Adopting the current F1 points system will have very little impact on the game, but I am still in favour of a more rigorous change such as implementing the MotoGP system. My reasons are in one of the links posted by Miel.
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#18 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 23:32:47
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Quote ( Dusan Sevarlic @ August 21st 2019,19:03:36 ) Try to make new season standingds for your group, 10 people in points...
I'm sure you'll not find any differences in top 5 or in bottom 20.
Then try to make it for all pro groups and result will be the same.
So, what's the point?
Have you ever done it?
I just did for the top 10 with the following points that seems to be what the OP is asking 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
So let's se the changes:
P1 remains P1 but would have mathematically secured the championship,while currently the group championship is still undefined. Also 18 more points that represents $900K more.
P2 Remains P2 with some more money
P3 is demoted to P4 and is out of the promotion area
P4 is now on the promotion zone occupying P5
P5 remains where he is
p6 remains whre he is
P7 goes down to P9
p8 Goes down to p10
P9 goes up to P7
P10 goes up to P8
So the outrcome is the following:
60% of the top 10 will change positions.
The group Championship would have already been defined (where is not yet defined)
There are 143 more points that represents $7.15 million more to divide between the top 10 and top 10 final position income is changed
So yes they are changes, and any change in finance affects your management decisions since your biggest asset in GPRO is the amount of money you have.
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#19 colocada 21 Ago 2019, 23:38:59
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Where are the points for power stage or superqualy?
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The difference would be in the standings of those not scoring points currently. As we all know, if a manager score 17 10th places in a season he will classify below a manager who scored 16 40th places and one 9th place.
Now you can say you like the way it works now or not, but certainly a different scoring system would change the final standings.
You can even consider a kind of "small points" for positions from 9th to 40th... Small decimals points that would only change the way managers with same "big" points are ordered in the standings. Some may consider a system like this more fair than the current one.
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#21 colocada 22 Ago 2019, 00:06:17
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Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ August 21st 2019,23:32:47 ) So let's se the changes:
P1 remains P1 but would have mathematically secured the championship,while currently the group championship is still undefined. Also 18 more points that represents $900K more.
P2 Remains P2 with some more money
P3 is demoted to P4 and is out of the promotion area
P4 is now on the promotion zone occupying P5
P5 remains where he is
p6 remains whre he is
P7 goes down to P9
p8 Goes down to p10
P9 goes up to P7
P10 goes up to P8
So the outrcome is the following:
60% of the top 10 will change positions.
Well, the only real change is between P3 and P4. Everything else is irrelevant especialy $900k of difference for P1.
Quote ( Diego Mahecha @ August 2nd 2019,06:25:40 ) Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ August 2nd 2019,04:26:46 )
So now it is a three horse race between Tomasz, Sam and me, that is unless Diego or Flavio ecide to really push.
At the moment, I am happy to have the 34th car ;)
Quote ( Flavio Mendiković @ August 2nd 2019,08:37:52 ) It’s not a promotion season for me. Don’ worry.
Quote ( Tomasz Siwiec @ August 2nd 2019,14:02:25 ) For me season will be over shortly and I do not need promotion - I am supporting my team to go higher in teams cup so i might go down at the end of the season. Good luck to everybody who is fighting in this group.
Quote ( Sam Le Meur @ August 16th 2019,08:33:15 ) Quote ( Flavio Mendiković @ August 15th 2019,14:54:05 )
Who does’t want to promote this season? Who will go neg balance?
For me, next season in amateur...
Considering Pro-1 forum your group is also irrelevant :D
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#22 colocada 22 Ago 2019, 00:59:23
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Mark Twain said something very intelligent and by answering the following I'm definitely falling into it:
"Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
Quote ( Dusan Sevarlic @ August 21st 2019,19:03:36 ) Try to make new season standingds for your group, 10 people in points...
I'm sure you'll not find any differences in top 5 or in bottom 20.
So a difference is found where you said there would be none:
But let's look at another "irelevant" group Master2
P1 would still be P1, but would see his gap to P2 shortened
P2 would go to P3 and while he is tied to P3 he would now be 4 points behind
P3 would be on P2
P4 would drop to P5
P5 would go to P4
So another 4 changes in 5 positions, I would not classify that as any.
Quote ( Dusan Sevarlic @ August 22nd 2019,00:06:17 ) Well, the only real change is between P3 and P4. Everything else is irrelevant especialy $900k of difference for P1.
If you only see $900k difference you need to review your management skills.
And never trust group forums:
The guy that said was happy with his low car is most probably going to promote specially if one of the guys above goes negative.
Last season a guy with the same Michi's strategy said he would not promote and go negative at seasons end. He made some of us slow down to avoid getting close for promotion if it was not on our plans and many others looked at it as a promotion opportunity. At the end he promoted, and affected other managers.
So well it's all irrelevant to you.
I'm against the change, but to say it doesn't affect the management of the game is too simple, but again it's clear that your management skills need improvement.
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#23 colocada 22 Ago 2019, 01:53:25
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Quote ( Andy Dowson @ August 21st 2019,20:07:04 ) Be proud of your heritage and where you come from even if it's embarrassing :-) and might be Norwich or some such out post. :-)
Oi! I'm from Norwich. Just because we beat your lot to promotion... ;)
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#24 colocada 22 Ago 2019, 07:16:33
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Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ August 22nd 2019,00:59:23 ) Mark Twain said something very intelligent and by answering the following I'm definitely falling into it:
"Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
Yes, you're right... Who knows why I'm arguing with you...
Quote ( Eduardo Sanchez Carenzo @ August 22nd 2019,00:59:23 ) you need to review your management skills.
It woukd be great to compare our skils in the same group next season.
BTW, changes in M2 are also irrelevant. Top 3 are still top 3, so it might be that you're the one who has to review his skills.
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#25 colocada 22 Ago 2019, 07:32:07
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Eduardo, Dusan,
Anecdotal evidence from one or two groups does not convince anyone. Go on, analyse ALL groups. Looking forward to seeing the results ;)
Also: you're looking at the wrong end of the table. The real effect of such a point reward change will be at the bottom of the table.
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#26 colocada 22 Ago 2019, 07:41:26
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I'm not looking anywhere and you're probably right about real effect, which is still irrelevant in my opinion.
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I really don't understand why so many experienced managers are debating this topic AGAIN when it has been done multiple times before.
It is a waste of time and effort.
Will add absolutely nothing to the game and cause kaos for past records for 71 seasons.
Rookies need to accept the point system GPRO has and deal with it. Not constantly complaining, to go to the current F1 system.
I noticed KP is back.(unfortunately 😆)
Really surprised he didn't shut this thread down.
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#28 colocada 22 Ago 2019, 08:54:11
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They're arguing because they have no way to measure penis size without exaggerating on the internet, so this pissing contest is as good as it gets for them. If I were a betting man, and it's too bad I'm not, they're looking for something to keep them occupied over the season break coming soon, so they're venting their inadequacies here for all to see. I'd say this is entertaining, but I'd be lying with a smile on my face.
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#29 colocada 22 Ago 2019, 09:58:03
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Quote ( Daniel Mason @ August 22nd 2019,08:54:11 ) If I were a betting man, ...
This made me think of Charlie Hustle.
"I'd be willing to bet you, if I were a betting man, that I have never bet on baseball." -- Pete Rose
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Quote ( Andrew Wilden @ August 22nd 2019,08:28:40 ) Rookies need to accept the point system GPRO has and deal with it. Not constantly complaining, to go to the current F1 system.
I play since S14 and I accept this as any other rule in the game.
However, rules changed in the years and not all changes have been good ones imho, so I don't get why a change in the point system would be so detrimental. Personally I'm happy with the current points system from 1st to 8th place. I simply don't like how managers with same points are classified in the standings (i.e. one 9th place and maybe 16 DNS are better than 17 10th places). I never liked it and still don't like it. But as long as this rule stands... Dura lex, sed lex.
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