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Тема: Random is getting beyond a joke. |
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Quote ( Kieran Taylor @ July 4th 2019,03:48:56 ) previously liked your post then I read the last bit so you now have a dislike
Why? do you want randoms in the game? I honestly don't like it.
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IMO
well its self explanatory, it would take away the randomness, its half the fun the unknown, the fact that just chance can make a titan lose.
would you take away the rain as well? although not quite the same but maybe we can get rid of mistakes as well, especially if your promoting, pesky mistakes.
things going wrong are just as important to plan for and I'm sure Nigel Manson would agree with you that tyre puncture should be stopped, but things like that happen.
but bar that your post praising GPRO for not being pay to win I agree with and brining back to original point you are correct that supporter status has no bearing on Randoms, which I initially thumbed up. until I realised id inadvertently signed up for beige monotony.
whats more apt to ask since its your suggestion is why change it? what benefit would it bring?
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Randoms should stay for sure.
Like who drives there own car forever, never breaks down, never gets a puncture. No one.
The majority of complaints about Randoms is inexperienced managers not differentiating between a "True" random & something that they didn't want to happen, took a risk & it did happen.
Examples;
If you get a puncture, & it ruins your race.
Or a puncture destroyed your suspension.
Driver was sick in helmet.
Etc
All true randoms.
If you expect 15% wear on the underbody in a race with the CT you are running & you start with 79% wear.
The driver ran too high on the curbs.
So you smoke
That isn't a random.
That is risk management & a touch unlucky.
So many complaints after races in this thread have explanations. They are not "True" randoms.
Hell where is Mikko.
I am starting to sound like him 😆
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Quote ( Kieran Taylor @ July 4th 2019,04:15:31 ) pesky mistakes. that is you, not me.
No I am not talking about the fun in analyzing the unknown, in fact I really love to sit down for hours and do data crunching, slice and dice thousands of information.
What I don't really like is the aftermath it brings, what if you are on the promotional position, and the fight between you and the next possible candidate for promotion is quite too close. Like for example that season needs about 55 total points to promote (managers outside the top 4 but can promote if they have high points and positive balance), then suddenly you have a random. I won't be happy if I encountered that situation.
I am sure I wont get car failure due to stupid management. What I am thinking is far beyond that. It is not acceptable to lose promotion just because of a random. That's helpless and no one can avoid it.
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I will be shocked if I was told we only have our Elite Champions who all won their title in a season where there is no random at all.
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Quote ( Jerome Manzon @ July 4th 2019,05:26:23 ) what if you are on the promotional position
have you ever stopped to think that you might not of been in a promo spot if the other had not suffered Randoms and such of the like?
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I had a tyre blow out last race after 10 laps. I also did not recieve any real wear from only 10 laps.
And since my rookie level car is still underdeveloped, I am only hoping to achieve retention by race 14.
The way I see it, this random gave me a race without any parts wear, and I still got paid a couple millions ;)
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Quote ( Kim Van Der Stichelen @ July 4th 2019,14:13:49 ) I had a tyre blow out last race after 10 laps. I also did not recieve any real wear from only 10 laps.
And since my rookie level car is still underdeveloped, I am only hoping to achieve retention by race 14.
The way I see it, this random gave me a race without any parts wear, and I still got paid a couple millions ;)
Which emphasizes how different might be the evaluation of randoms depending on circumstances/experience. Your DNF was a mild one, which produced barely any wear. Most of us have had the super early smoking part that wasn't an immediate DNF, the car crawled on the track most of the race and still got the 50% penalty, or the late race tyre puncture with similar outcome. But also, the fixed costs in Amateur are very small, with cheap tyres and no TDs, so smoking out every race actually produces a surplus.
A DNF random in the high leagues is a completely different issue, with very handicapping driver moti losses (which snowballs for a long while, probably during the whole remaining driver contract), way higher fixed costs (a couple of millions maybe in Amateur, +10M in Elite with Michis/BR), way higher race earning losses due to the random (can be +15M in excess in Elite vs. at most 9M in Amateur) and quite higher relative losses due to the tighter package differential in the higher leagues.
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Quote ( Kieran Taylor @ July 4th 2019,13:45:37 ) have you ever stopped to think that you might not of been in a promo spot if the other had not suffered Randoms and such of the like? This is for losers who just danced between Amateur to Rookie back and forth all through out their career. One random for the chaser can be lethal, on the other hand I don't think all top 4 managers or say 4~6 will all receive a random. You will always have a chance to promote no matter what happen, because of additional promotions list depending on your points. I don't think that there is more than 15% of the whole division's contender's population will suffer from random.
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Says the person with less than two seasons' experience.........but clearly knows everything already.........
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I feel like randoms are becoming too random. is it just me or ?
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Nothing against random but my last 2 happened when i was leading to victory, frustating.
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3 randoms in 18 races
I see why people quit now :D
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This game is bollocks a times, I am in the lead doing a 1 stop with my rivals 2 and 3 stopping and I get a random that is not fixed during the pit stop. I am not pushing car parts beyond 90%. I wonder what’s the point at times.
if fandoms were solely based on using high risks or running car parts behind limits I would understand it but to have a random for no reason other than it is random is pathetic.
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First random for ages.....
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Quote ( Andy Goodall @ September 13th 2019,21:00:23 ) but to have a random for no reason other than it is random is pathetic.
LOL, quote of the season :)
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it is annoying though but part of the game. Almost everything has a random element to it and it does happen for real too i guess.
The most annoying of a random is when you do OBP and put the whole effort and season into it to retain a group and get a random in that!!! It happens.
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Quote ( Mikie Shaw @ September 13th 2019,22:16:52 ) The most annoying of a random is when you do OBP and put the whole effort and season into it to retain a group and get a random in that!!! It happens.
one might say that would be an accepted risk of that strategy (putting all you eggs in one basket)
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Quote ( Mikie Shaw @ September 13th 2019,22:16:52 ) The most annoying of a random is when you do OBP and put the whole effort and season into it to retain a group and get a random in that!!! It happens.
Even more annoying is do 2 OBP's to retain in Master before your supposed Elite promo run, have randoms in both races (of which one FT) AND get nominated as worst forum user by an ex team mate in the same master group for 'complaining' in the Group forums :P
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:D :D
Ouch,bad season brother.
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Quote ( Peter Willmore @ September 13th 2019,23:03:35 ) one might say that would be an accepted risk of that strategy (putting all you eggs in one basket)
yeh. Granted,it happens.
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Apparantly it's time for me to post here.
Starting on medium risks I get a [T] in lap 9 or so. Highest part before start was 76% (that would have ended on 88% according to my tool after 55 laps. No special overtake or defend risks. But a stupid [T]. So my high chance of becoming 3th is now changed into 27th place and counting. My sponsor for 10 races will leave me. My chance to catch up on top 2 in my group is ruined. If 1 part is above 90% because of this [T] my season plan is for the garbage bin because I planned testing before car parts change after this race.
So:
-7M for race result
-10M for lost sponsor (and this ruins other plans I had with sponsor)
-30 moti instead of +10/20 moti I expected for next race.
-6 points in championship (if I lose 2nd place in standings that's another -3.2M (If these 6 points and big moti lose don't make me lose more).
Nice summary for a random.
For the smartasses that say I run too high risks (20/30 overtake / defend & CT is also nothing exceptional, rather low even for a promotion push)
Edit: Also possible that I lose a sponsorship fight for this wurth 30M.
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I think the general theory is, if one race can make or break a season, it is likely you would be unprepared for the next level anyway. :P
Sponsors shouldn't leave for a single bad outcome. I think a change was made a few seasons back to make sure a random is not a huge affect on sponsors
Won't stop you hating the game tonight, but may not end as badly as you imagine :)
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That's the spirit...angeeeer :D
Seems I just had a technical problem myself :D Ooops :D
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I most likely will still promote, and I already got a random puncture (real random; it has been a while since I got one). But the sponsor fight is already high and we are battling with a few % between us. We both need only a few races to end.
The sponsor that will leave me is because the puncture + a planned bad race + a warning at a top15 place on a sponsor with not that high expectations.
I know all these things, I already lost rather lots of money because weird opening laps (I started on pole + boost lap + force to front and I still get overtaken by 6th at starting line and he blocked the fuck out of me; I also consider that as random)
I expected comment to come...
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I demand a response about the overtaking system. Please Vlad :D
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Quote ( Bert Huylebroeck @ November 29th 2019,21:28:36 ) (I started on pole + boost lap + force to front and I still get overtaken by 6th at starting line and he blocked the f out of me; I also consider that as random)
I watched that race. In the final stint when you both had clear track, you were a whopping 3 tenths per lap quicker than the guy who supposedly blocked the Forbidden Fruit out of you. If you want to pass someone... drive faster. :)
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Quote ( Bert Huylebroeck @ November 29th 2019,21:28:36 ) The sponsor that will leave me is because the puncture + a planned bad race + a warning at a top15 place on a sponsor with not that high expectations.
Yeah, see your point now... hard to stop damage with that history. May suprise you though
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Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ November 29th 2019,21:41:12 ) Quote ( Bert Huylebroeck @ November 29th 2019,21:28:36 )
(I started on pole + boost lap + force to front and I still get overtaken by 6th at starting line and he blocked the f out of me; I also consider that as random)
I watched that race. In the final stint when you both had clear track, you were a whopping 3 tenths per lap quicker than the guy who supposedly blocked the Forbidden Fruit out of you. If you want to pass someone... drive faster. :)
I know 3 tenths is not enough to overtake, but how do you explain that he gets from 6th passed me (I was pole + boost lap 1 + force to front)
Getting blocked was not that shocking if he just came from 2nd or 3th, maybe even 4th, but come on...
Race analysis shows: 'The sidepods were damaged after a touch with the wall'
Is this a true random or not?
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Quote ( Bert Huylebroeck @ November 29th 2019,21:47:26 ) Race analysis shows: 'The sidepods were damaged after a touch with the wall'
I believe this is a true random, I remember getting this as well with Sidepods being fine before and after the race.
Did you get extra wear on them?
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