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Sagar Abhyankar
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Стара порука #4201 послано Maј 28 2020, 20:39:09 Цитирај 
Quote ( Thijs Rieken @ May 28th 2020,20:32:03 )

I think you're mixing things up here. I'm not talking about adjustments during the race. I'm only talking about making tyre compound choice visible or not.

You started the whole thing about it being ridiculous that I say that because I'm in Pro. That wasn't me.



I am not 'mixing both'.. xD
I am seeing long term effects If tyre compound choice is made visible or not. and what can other managers possibly ask.... if this is 'accepted'

I did not expect a guy in 'Pro' to support the idea of 'tyre compound choice is made visible or not'. I respect everyone opinions

I again say, What can be 'possibly achieved' if we know other managers tires? which you have not answered yet


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Стара порука #4202 послано Maј 28 2020, 20:49:23 (последња промена Maј 28 2020, 20:54:13 од Jay De Snoo) Цитирај 
Sorry but I fail to see the problem. Rookies and ama's seeing eachothers tyre choice pre-race is pointless. At least in ama it's obvious during / post race, but without the data from it, it's still pointless.... So again what's the problem? (and it's NOT going to happen anyway).

At lot of people are acting as if the game suddenly became more difficult for new joiners. Or like it's impossible to play catch up. Well it wasn't about 18 seasons ago and I fail to see why that has changed...
There's so much information openly available on the forum's alone (including complete formula's) that if someone is a bit handy in searching and with spreadsheets one can do quite well all by themselves and improve from what is found... And then there's things outside this website... which I don't recommend to rely on. But nothing the early addaptives had, like every new joiner has now...

Joining a team in search of similar data is a great next step. But expecting things to be delivered on a silver platter...? Well this probably isn't the game for you and Mario Karts would be a better choice..




Thijs Rieken
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Стара порука #4203 послано Maј 28 2020, 20:50:45 (последња промена Maј 28 2020, 20:53:28 од Thijs Rieken) Цитирај 
I have. People before me have. Making tyre choice visible for Rookies can help Rookies understand which compound works under which conditions.

Assuming that accepting this change will lead to adjustments during the race is a logical fallacy called the "slippery slope"
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

Please just discuss the topic rather than slapping around arguments that don't hold any value.

@Jay, I don't see the problem either, I just don't like being attacked for trying to present an option that might make both parties happy.
Sagar Abhyankar
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Стара порука #4204 послано Maј 28 2020, 20:59:09 (последња промена Maј 28 2020, 21:00:22 од Sagar Abhyankar) Цитирај 
Quote ( Thijs Rieken @ May 28th 2020,20:50:45 )

I have. People before me have. Making tyre choice visible for Rookies can help Rookies understand which compound works under which conditions.

Assuming that accepting this change will lead to adjustments during the race is a logical fallacy called the "slippery slope"
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

Please just discuss the topic rather than slapping around arguments that don't hold any value.

@Jay, I don't see the problem either, I just don't like being attacked for trying to present an option that might make both parties happy.


You have gone off topic without telling the pro side of your suggestions. I have already told consequences.

I am trying to bring your derailed opinions back on track.

My both statements cannot be an examples of Slippery Slopes.
Zé Pedro Paula
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Стара порука #4205 послано Maј 28 2020, 21:04:12 Цитирај 
Quote ( Thijs Rieken @ May 28th 2020,20:15:18 )

I can see the added value for Rookies.


For sure. And for real life Formula 1. Those lazy rears.
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Стара порука #4206 послано Maј 28 2020, 21:04:32 (последња промена Maј 28 2020, 21:07:11 од Jay De Snoo) Цитирај 
Quote ( Thijs Rieken @ May 28th 2020,20:50:45 )



@Jay, I don't see the problem either, I just don't like being attacked for trying to present an option that might make both parties happy.


On forums it hardly is ever personal Thijs unless it's obvious it is ;)

The free info available since you (or me) joined has only increased, and I know I made sure I posted severeal links to usefull old topics into more recent topics. Especially in rookie topics. That's best you can do, making the search easier. I can't help the next generation doesn't like searching ;) Not to say being lazy :P

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Стара порука #4207 послано Maј 28 2020, 21:06:09 Цитирај 
Quote ( Max Watson @ May 28th 2020,15:56:58 )

ZPP

Sounds like a German referring to a penis :)
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Стара порука #4208 послано Maј 28 2020, 21:27:28 (последња промена Maј 28 2020, 21:36:21 од Zé Pedro Paula) Цитирај 
Quote ( Jay De Snoo @ May 28th 2020,20:49:23 )

At lot of people are acting as if the game suddenly became more difficult for new joiners.


There is a S17 Master in my Rookie group. Or he lost it meanwhile or at least he knows the same he knew back then, Is the old Masters the New Rookie?


Quote ( Josh Clark @ May 28th 2020,21:06:09 )

Quote ( Max Watson @ May 28th 2020,15:56:58 )

ZPP
Sounds like a German referring to a penis :)


I obviously disagree but I'm still a long way to be German.
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Стара порука #4209 послано Maј 28 2020, 21:28:00 Цитирај 
Quote ( Jay De Snoo @ May 28th 2020,20:49:23 )

lot of people are acting as if the game suddenly became more difficult for new joiners.

The fact is that it's exactly opposite.

These days there's so much more info out there compared to earlier seasons and that makes it much easier.
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Стара порука #4210 послано Maј 28 2020, 21:29:57 Цитирај 
Quote ( Josh Clark @ May 28th 2020,21:06:09 )

Sounds like a German referring to a penis :)


Whereas I was an Englishman referring to a penis =]
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Стара порука #4211 послано Maј 28 2020, 21:32:21 Цитирај 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 28th 2020,21:28:00 )

The fact is that it's exactly opposite.



These days there's so much more info out there compared to earlier seasons and that makes it much easier.

Those days nobody had a clue what they were doing, today a new player faces thousands of players who have detailed knowledge about nearly all of the game's core features.
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Стара порука #4212 послано Maј 28 2020, 21:34:02 Цитирај 
Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ May 28th 2020,21:32:21 )

Those days nobody had a clue what they were doing, today a new player faces thousands of players who have detailed knowledge about nearly all of the game's core features.


But complain 100 times harder ;)
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Стара порука #4213 послано Maј 28 2020, 21:51:15 (последња промена Maј 28 2020, 22:16:05 од Mikko Heikkinen) Цитирај 
Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ May 28th 2020,21:32:21 )

Those days nobody had a clue what they were doing,


I wasn't referring to the first seasons of gpro, the "earlier seasons" can as mean something like ~30 seasons ago, not necessarily 70 seasons ago


Quote ( Jasper Coosemans @ May 28th 2020,21:32:21 )

today a new player faces thousands of players who have detailed knowledge about nearly all of the game's core features.

Well actually "those days" which you were apparently referring to, new players faced ~30 rivals where as these days new players face ~15 rivals in a group.

Remember, a new manager isn't competing against everyone in GPRO, they are competing with other managers in their respective group

And there is much more information available for the new arrivals

So... GPRO is much easier for new managers than it used to be
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Стара порука #4214 послано Maј 28 2020, 21:51:46 (последња промена Maј 28 2020, 21:53:24 од Zé Pedro Paula) Цитирај 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ May 28th 2020,21:28:00 )

These days there's so much more info out there compared to earlier seasons


... that took it all with a teardropper. Easy-peasy for cry babies.

I repeat my edit/addition above. There is a S17 Master in my rookie group. Where is your data now?
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Стара порука #4215 послано Maј 28 2020, 21:54:27 Цитирај 
Quote ( Zé Pedro Paula @ May 28th 2020,21:51:46 )

Where is your data now?
She took the kitten.
Zé Pedro Paula
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Стара порука #4216 послано Maј 28 2020, 22:08:31 Цитирај 

Quote ( Tibor Szuromi @ May 28th 2020,21:54:27 )

Quote ( Zé Pedro Paula @ May 28th 2020,21:51:46 )

Where is your data now?

She took the kitten.


She was jealous of the calculator. Can't be recovered for sure.
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Стара порука #4217 послано Maј 28 2020, 22:23:43 (последња промена Maј 28 2020, 22:27:47 од Jay De Snoo) Цитирај 
Quote ( Zé Pedro Paula @ May 28th 2020,21:27:28 )

There is a S17 Master in my Rookie group. Or he lost it meanwhile or at least he knows the same he knew back then, Is the old Masters the New Rookie?


A S17 Master? Oh boy that's bad....S17 Masters are known to be bad ass...
So I'm sure he has a huge edge on everyone else and performed alike meanwhile.... Oh wait, he hasn't...
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Стара порука #4218 послано Maј 28 2020, 22:46:05 Цитирај 
Quote ( Jay De Snoo @ May 28th 2020,22:23:43 )

So I'm sure he has a huge edge on everyone else and performed alike meanwhile.... Oh wait, he hasn't...


Exactly my point. Glad that after all we can agree on this. S17 Master = S76 Rookie. Much harder today.
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Стара порука #4219 послано Maј 28 2020, 22:56:14 (последња промена Maј 28 2020, 23:05:19 од Jay De Snoo) Цитирај 
Quote ( Zé Pedro Paula @ May 28th 2020,22:46:05 )

Exactly my point. Glad that after all we can agree on this. S17 Master = S76 Rookie. Much harder today.


I'm afraid we agree to disagree since you fail to get the point. Not to underestimate the danger of S17 Master though.. @Mikko Heikkinen (P13) was among them and he turned into a dinosaur ;)
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Стара порука #4220 послано Maј 28 2020, 23:22:44 (последња промена Maј 28 2020, 23:25:34 од Daniel Douglas) Цитирај 
Quote ( Zé Pedro Paula @ May 28th 2020,22:46:05 )

Exactly my point. Glad that after all we can agree on this. S17 Master = S76 Rookie. Much harder today.


I'll see your s17 master and raise

Here is a s15 rookie thats in ELITE now .... much easier today

/gb/ManagerProfile.asp?IDM=52234



Or is it possible that current group level of an individual manager has nothing to do with the difficulty of said group? That there could well be something else, such as what that manager wants to do, at play?

Who knows? I'm sure you have a much better understanding of the difficulty level of the game from when you weren't playing than those who were playing at that time do.


Edit: Plus it should go without saying, but i'll say it anyway. Yug won a title, that says everything about the difficulty of the game nowadays :P
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Стара порука #4221 послано Maј 29 2020, 04:21:14 Цитирај 
Plot twist.

Have the ability to see which other managers jump on sponsors.

I have a theory around this that's rife at the moment. Interested to hear peoples thoughts.

Ps: fully aware you can figure out who your competitor is.
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Стара порука #4222 послано Maј 29 2020, 06:54:08 Цитирај 
Quote ( Michael Keeney @ May 29th 2020,04:21:14 )

Plot twist.

Have the ability to see which other managers jump on sponsors.

I have a theory around this that's rife at the moment. Interested to hear peoples thoughts.

Ps: fully aware you can figure out who your competitor is.



That would make screwing with people much less fun.
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Стара порука #4223 послано Maј 29 2020, 16:50:20 (последња промена Maј 29 2020, 17:00:09 од Zé Pedro Paula) Цитирај 
Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ May 28th 2020,23:22:44 )

Here is a s15 rookie thats in ELITE now ....


Wrong. S38 Elite. Way before "today".


Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ May 28th 2020,23:22:44)

much easier today


My Rookie got to Masters in 7 easy seasons!


Old timers got everything that they now throw at any Rookie asking for first races tips, including the Wiki, in a tear dropper. Season after season, announcement after announcement, log after log. Having time and leisure to wonder and ponder about it. Most probably promoting themselves the new everything, features, rules, you name it.

Now they shove the whole Wiki down the rookies throats and tell them to FOBY what they may need for the very first races.


Would I know what exactly was the mentors scheme I would be more supportive of them. But even the simple "rules" were never visible, let alone clear. Even when directly asked if a rookie would get a first race advice in a "3 first races" program. And the answer.... silence. I mean, a lot of noise. Noise is what you guys are all elites.


You had the best of the lives in here, you poor little cry babies!
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Стара порука #4224 послано Maј 29 2020, 17:02:41 Цитирај 
No matter if a manager is pro, rookie or elite. I understand people who prefers to wait some laps and discover it when drivers suffer tyres wearing, but there should be an option to see what tyres wear others in race, like F1 with colored tyres.


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Стара порука #4225 послано Maј 29 2020, 19:50:13 Цитирај 
Wow and it's a philosphy class too! lol
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Стара порука #4226 послано Maј 29 2020, 21:31:43 Цитирај 
Quote ( Zé Pedro Paula @ May 29th 2020,16:50:20 )

Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ May 28th 2020,23:22:44 )

Here is a s15 rookie thats in ELITE now ....

Wrong. S38 Elite. Way before "today".


Quote ( Daniel Douglas @ May 28th 2020,23:22:44)

much easier today

My Rookie got to Masters in 7 easy seasons!


Old timers got everything that they now throw at any Rookie asking for first races tips, including the Wiki, in a tear dropper. Season after season, announcement after announcement, log after log. Having time and leisure to wonder and ponder about it. Most probably promoting themselves the new everything, features, rules, you name it.

Now they shove the whole Wiki down the rookies throats and tell them to FOBY what they may need for the very first races.


Would I know what exactly was the mentors scheme I would be more supportive of them. But even the simple "rules" were never visible, let alone clear. Even when directly asked if a rookie would get a first race advice in a "3 first races" program. And the answer.... silence. I mean, a lot of noise. Noise is what you guys are all elites.


You had the best of the lives in here, you poor little cry babies!


What are you even talking about
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Стара порука #4227 послано Maј 29 2020, 21:36:06 Цитирај 
Don't start, just ignore it
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Стара порука #4228 послано Maј 29 2020, 21:39:19 Цитирај 
Quote ( Jim Becker @ May 29th 2020,19:50:13 )


Wow and it's a philosphy class too!
Psychological closed class - I think.
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