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Ruben Ferreira
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Стара порука #1 послано Феб 28 2020, 16:24:31 Цитирај 
So this is not me slating the Nations trophy - actually I am a fan and would love to see my own country do better - but naturally the countries with the largest amount of members will do better then the smaller countries.

Any one have ideas on how it could be improved. I have a few - but I feel way to new a member to voice my opinion - so I thought I would ask to see what the general consensus is.
Mikko Heikkinen
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Стара порука #2 послано Феб 28 2020, 16:29:45 (последња промена Феб 28 2020, 16:31:48 од Mikko Heikkinen) Цитирај 
Quote ( Ruben Ferreira @ February 28th 2020,16:24:31 )

actually I am a fan and would love to see my own country do better - but naturally the countries with the largest amount of members will do better then the smaller countries.

That's why the nations knockout cup was made,

/gb/NationsKnockoutCup.asp


Note: For this competition, only the best 30 scorers of each country per race count.

John Coghill
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Стара порука #3 послано Феб 28 2020, 16:29:48 Цитирај 
I feel basically the same way as you, as a Canadian, there's no way we could ever win with how few people we have, but you could always have the top (x) drivers from your country compete in the cup.
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Стара порука #4 послано Феб 28 2020, 16:35:31 Цитирај 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ February 28th 2020,16:29:45 )

Note: For this competition, only the best 30 scorers of each country per race count.


Thanks @Mikko Heikkinen (P13), but you will need to explain a little more for me please. Lets use this hypercritical

We have country A and country B. Country A's top 30 members all win in the Elite, Master and Pros and then Country B's top thirty win in Amateur and Rookie - Would it be obvious to assume A does better then B. In that case does the KO Cup benefit the dominate countries with no chance give to the counties still developing on the game?



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Стара порука #5 послано Феб 28 2020, 16:38:05 Цитирај 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ February 28th 2020,16:29:45 )

Note: For this competition, only the best 30 scorers of each country per race count.


It's again only the countries at the top of the standings that have as many as 30 managers performing well in any given season.
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Стара порука #6 послано Феб 28 2020, 16:40:44 Цитирај 
https://worldcup.gpro.net/
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Стара порука #7 послано Феб 28 2020, 17:06:31 Цитирај 
In my case it doesn't matter, we don't have lots of managers at gpro hehe we're like 10 or 12.
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Стара порука #8 послано Феб 28 2020, 17:06:56 (последња промена Феб 28 2020, 17:16:58 од Mikko Heikkinen) Цитирај 
Quote ( Ruben Ferreira @ February 28th 2020,16:35:31 )

We have country A and country B. Country A's top 30 members all win in the Elite, Master and Pros and then Country B's top thirty win in Amateur and Rookie - Would it be obvious to assume A does better then B. In that case does the KO Cup benefit the dominate countries with no chance give to the counties still developing on the game?


And why should the "developing country" with less than 30 managers win ?

After all it's country/nation cup, not a "pair cup" or "foursome cup"

The line needed to be drawn somewhere, preferably a figure which means people in that nation still get to contribute. IF the amount of contributors is heavily limited it's no longer nations cup, it becomes something else completely.


Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ February 28th 2020,16:38:05 )

It's again only the countries at the top of the standings that have as many as 30 managers performing well in any given season.

Yes, currently "only" 43 countries have 30+ mangers.

And if said managers aren't performing well, surely you don't suggest that they should be rewarded for it ?


IF your country doesn't have 30 managers or you know potential managers, then I'd suggest this: /InviteFriend.asp

Spread the word among your friends and focus groups :)
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Стара порука #9 послано Феб 28 2020, 17:38:32 Цитирај 
Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ February 28th 2020,17:06:56 )

Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ February 28th 2020,16:38:05 )

It's again only the countries at the top of the standings that have as many as 30 managers performing well in any given season.

Yes, currently "only" 43 countries have 30+ mangers.

And if said managers aren't performing well, surely you don't suggest that they should be rewarded for it ?


Ofcourse if managers are not performing well they should not be rewards, and nor should they be counted when trying to justify how many countries have a real shot at participating in the knockout cup. We both know 43 countries are not competing for the cup. Simply counting the number of countries with 30 managers /actually/ racing will already reduce the number by a handful. Try estimating the number of countries that have a chance to /ever/ realistically produce a roster of 30 well-performing managers, you're left with about 20 countries.


Quote ( Mikko Heikkinen @ February 28th 2020,17:06:56 )

IF your country doesn't have 30 managers or you know potential managers, then I'd suggest this: /InviteFriend.asp

Spread the word among your friends and focus groups :)


That's not what I care about. My point is that the cup in it's current structure is hardly interesting for /anyone/
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Стара порука #10 послано Феб 28 2020, 18:22:24 (последња промена Феб 28 2020, 18:47:26 од Mikko Heikkinen) Цитирај 
Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ February 28th 2020,17:38:32 )

We both know 43 countries are not competing for the cup.

Just to draw a parable, there isn't 200 countries in football world cup either there's just a handful instead, but people still find it interesting.

Quote ( Harsh Sheth @ February 28th 2020,17:38:32 )

That's not what I care about. My point is that the cup in it's current structure is hardly interesting for /anyone/

Why is that ?

Finland will never win football world cup, it's just impossible with our population of ~5,500,000 vs. "the greats" of football, like Brazil 212,559,417, Germany 83,783,942, UK 67,886,011 (just to mention a few (don't mean to leave other greats out, just would take too much space to mention all))

I can still appreciate and enjoy the competition


So... let's review GPRO /Stats.asp?type=natpoints&sort=kopoints&Season=#scroll


Nation KO points Managers

1. Poland 122.4 580
2. Italy 118.8 774
3. Brazil 112.2 926

9. Portugal 80.4 426
10. Finland 79.4 147
11. Germany 76.4 338

21. Czech Rep 48.0 204
22. Sweden 47.2 83


Isn't it interesting that Poland with ~half the amount of managers compared Brazil has more points

And similar things happen elsewhere, Czech Rep has ~2,5 times more managers than Sweden but only 0,8 more points

My point is... one doesn't have to be "in it" to enjoy it.

I will probably never have a chance to drive a F1 car either, but I can still enjoy the things that happen there :)
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