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Тема: Satisfaction range so different??? |
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This is my first PRO season, so it's the first time I signed a Technical Director. I guess he will change the "happy range" or "satisfaction range" of my driver (easy to find with the famous formula) so in the first 2 races I tried to make some tests to find it out. The results are that the happy range of my driver is less than A, as for values with a difference of A the comments changes 2 times (i.e. value X response "lower a bit" and value Y "put a bit higher"). Tis, with 2 HUGE exeptions.
Race 1: range for brakes greater than B, as for values Z and T I had the same response (put a bit on the back)
Race 2: range for gearbox greater than C, as for values of P and Q I had the same response (lower a bit)
How could it be??? For brakes and gearbox I had a range of around D in one race and around E in another??? With the same driver and the same TD. Is this a bug???
Please help me
Giovanni
(Mod-edit: No exact values, please. And please edit the stuff yourself next time. Thank you)
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Quote ( Giovanni Barzaghi @ July 2nd 2015,02:44:52 )
First: You shouldn't put exact numbers
Second: This is not a bug.... this is TD influence that you are misinterpreting.
Quote ( Giovanni Barzaghi @ July 2nd 2015,02:44:52 ) Race 1: range for brakes
Race 2: range for gearbox
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#3 Размещено 2 Июль 2015, 03:03:34
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Sorry for putting exact numbers, I didn't know I shouldn't.
Regarding misinterpreting, I am here exactly to try and find some help.
I try with a different question: is it possible that the satisfaction range of my driver changes SO MUCH in 2 consecutive races? I mean, changing of around 25 is crazy, don't you think?
I repeat: in a race the satisfaction range of my driver was "X", in the next race it was "X + 25". Same driver, same TD.
Any help?
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#4 Размещено 2 Июль 2015, 03:04:21
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and same car part, of course!
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#5 Размещено 2 Июль 2015, 03:07:37
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Quote ( Giovanni Barzaghi @ July 2nd 2015,03:04:21 ) and same car part, of course!
The range did not change much at all from race to race ..... you tested the range on brakes in race one .... and on gearbox in race 2.
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#6 Размещено 2 Июль 2015, 03:15:00
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No, sorry, probably my English is bad and I wasn't understood. I'll try to be clearer.
Range for Aero is more or less the same in race 1 and race 2.
Range for Engine is more or less the same in race 1 and race 2.
Range for suspension is more or less the same in race 1 and race 2.
Range for brakes was "X" in race 1 and "X - 20" in race 2 (a difference of around 20 for THE SAME CAR PART).
Range for gearbox was "Y" in race 1 and "Y + 25" in race 2 (a difference of 25 for THE SAME CAR PART).
How could it be???
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#7 Размещено 2 Июль 2015, 03:16:24
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Oh, I forgot, thank you Daniel for answering me :-)
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#8 Размещено 2 Июль 2015, 03:17:05
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A mentor can help you Giovanni. You can find one in the Italian section.
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Quote ( Giovanni Barzaghi @ July 2nd 2015,03:15:00 ) No, sorry, probably my English is bad and I wasn't understood. I'll try to be clearer.
Range for Aero is more or less the same in race 1 and race 2.
Range for Engine is more or less the same in race 1 and race 2.
Range for suspension is more or less the same in race 1 and race 2.
Range for brakes was "X" in race 1 and "X - 20" in race 2 (a difference of around 20 for THE SAME CAR PART).
Range for gearbox was "Y" in race 1 and "Y + 25" in race 2 (a difference of 25 for THE SAME CAR PART).
How could it be???
I will send a PM
Quote ( Alin Costrasuc @ July 2nd 2015,03:17:05 ) A mentor can help you Giovanni. You can find one in the Italian section.
This is most likely well beyond the mentor program (though I am not fully up to speed on the italian mentor program).
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A mentor can help you Giovanni. You can find one in the Italian section.
This is most likely well beyond the mentor program (though I am not fully up to speed on the italian mentor program).
I think it's far beyond :-)
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Quote ( Giovanni Barzaghi @ July 2nd 2015,02:44:52 ) (Mod-edit: No exact values, please. And please edit the stuff yourself next time. Thank you)
Sorry guys, but I don't have any "edit" button here... I tried to edit my message, but I couldn't find how. Otherwise I would have done it.
CAn someone say me how to do it?
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Oh yes, I have only 30 minutes to do it. Thanks
Sorry guys for being a real forum noob
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On more thing Giovanni: You shouldn't make doubled posts if you have the possibility of editing the one already posted :-)
(Edit: And I shouldn't do the backseat modding, I know)
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Quote ( Giovanni Barzaghi @ July 2nd 2015,02:44:52 ) Race 1: range for brakes greater than B, as for values Z and T I had the same response (put a bit on the back)
Race 2: range for gearbox greater than C, as for values of P and Q I had the same response (lower a bit)
Satisfaction range is not the range for which you get the same unhappy comment. It is by definition the range where you get the happy comment. Especially with a td, the unhappy comment ranges can be very different from the satisfaction range.
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Thanks Jukka, so I know the reason why I had those responses.
Is there a way to calculate somehow the happy range and the unhappy ranges?
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Obviously there is a way. You just need to test the satisfaction range with different drivers and td's and try to find a formula. The unhappy ranges are not that important as your setup should mostly be quite close to happy already at the start once you get a rough idea how to calculate the setup.
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I've made a lot of testing and I've found something that I don't understand. Before Silverstone, I have done some test in Ahvenisto for checking my happy ranges. After Silverstone, my driver and TD raised some skill, the others remained the same. So, I assume my happy range should be smaller or equal as the race before.
But, during Paul Ricard qualification, I found my happy range increased!
Let's call HR-1 if my driver says "raise a bit", HR if he is satisfied, HR+1 if he says "lower a bit".
In Ahvenisto, for brakes, I have found 2 values, one for HR-1 and one for HR+1 which differed by X so I thought that my happy range must be X-2 or smaller.
In Paul Ricard, I have found 2 brakes values which made my driver satisfied, and those 2 values differed by Y, so my happy range must be Y or greater.
The point is that Y was greater than X (exactly Y=X+3)!!! It means that in race 4 my happy range was greater than in race 3, with the same driver and TD (with some increased skills).
How could it be??? Is there something else other than driver and TD which influences the happy range? Track? Temperature? Alien invasion???
Please help, possibly with an advice other than the usual "make tests".
Thank you
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#18 Размещено 13 Июль 2015, 13:16:23 (последняя редакция 13 Июль 2015, 13:16:58 от Egon Blissi)
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Finding the exact happy range in a test session could be tricky because not all values stay the same in all the stints.
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Yep agreed. Giovanni you would be better to try and find your HR in the 8 practise laps. It's possible that during testing your HR edge moved because of changes that take place during the testing - ones that don't take place in practise laps [hint].
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Thanks for the secret, Mark! I always learn so much when I'm in places I'm not supposed to be in :)
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#21 Размещено 13 Июль 2015, 15:06:21 (последняя редакция 13 Июль 2015, 15:06:34 от Josh Clark)
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Quote ( Robin Paukson @ July 13th 2015,14:56:09 ) Thanks for the secret, Mark! I always learn so much when I'm in places I'm not supposed to be in :)
The forum?
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mmmhhh I am not sure I understood: you are telling me that in the 10 stints (5 laps per stint) I use to do for testing in one session I have some edge variation of my HR??? If so, 3 questions:
1) can you tell me what affects my HR edge variation?
2) how an I supposed to find an edge if this edge doesn't exist? (for definition, if an edge is moving, it's not ONE edge, but multiple edges...)
3) why should I make set-up testing sessions if I can't find the correct set-up because I can't find my HR edges???
I'm definitely confused...
Thanks for the answers, BTW
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Quote ( Giovanni Barzaghi @ July 13th 2015,15:12:42 ) 3) why should I make set-up testing sessions
:)
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Edge does exist. It's just that when certain things change, the edge changes it's place.
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Quote ( Giovanni Barzaghi @ July 13th 2015,15:12:42 ) 1) can you tell me what affects my HR edge variation?
The things that change between stints ;-)
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Quote ( Josh Clark @ July 13th 2015,15:06:21 ) The forum?
Indeed.
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