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Quote ( Dmitry Serebryakov @ March 2nd 2022,13:46:44 ) There is a war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, we are actively expressing our positions here in the forum. At the same time, we are clearly not military here, we are civilians.
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The Ukrainians demand to ban the Russians in the game, remove the flags, the anthem, the Sochi stage. And the Russians do not call for anything like this in relation to the Ukrainians.
This is a very revealing projection of the attitudes towards each other of the civilian people of these countries.
there is a war between Russia and Ukraine. It's fundamental. Russia is the aggressor, Russia has attacked us, Russia is bombing our cities.
And we will invite the site administration to join the world community, which every day more and more bans Russians from sports to business.
It is symptomatic that no one, under the flag of Russia on this forum, has recognized what is happening in full volume.
Explain to me, Russians. If this is a special operation in the Donbass, why the hell are rockets flying into all regions of Ukraine?
RF business isolation status as of March 02, 2022:
Apple Pay - full block
Apple - complete exit from the market
Adidas - refusal to work with the national football team
Audi - out of the market
AMD - ban on the supply of microchips and soon a ban on the supply of video cards
Amazon - a complete block of all retail
Adobe - full block
British Petrolium - 20% of shares left Rosneft
BBC - revocation of broadcasting licenses
BMW - closes factories, blocks supplies
Bolt - market exit
Boeing - exit from the market
Chevrolet - out of the market
Cannes Festival - bloc rf delegation
Cadillac - out of the market
Carlsberg - export restriction
Cex Io - crypto platform bans ru users
Cinema 4D - app not working
Coca Cola - exit from the market
Danone exits the market with its subsidiary Prostokvashino
Disney - cancel all movies
Dell - exit from the market
Dropbox - will stop working in the country in a few days
DHL - exit from the market
Eurovision - disqualification
Ericsson - exit from the market
Exxon Mobil recalls all specialists from Russian oil companies
Etsy - block of all balances on ru accounts
Facebook - Russian media account ban
FedEx - complete ban on deliveries
Formula 1 - cancellation of the tournament in Sochi
Ford - closes all stores
FIFA - disqualification of the national team for the World Cup and a ban on holding any international matches in the Russian Federation
Google Pay - partial block
Google Maps - info block for Russia
General Motors - stops exports
HP - import ban
Harley Davidson - cut off supplies
Instagram - blocking propaganda
Intel - microchip supply ban
Jaguar - out of the market
Jooble - removed the service and made a statement
KUNA - market exit
Lenovo - exit from the market
LinkedIn - preparing for a full exit from the country
MOK - cancellation of all competitions
Mastercard - suspension of card production, shutdown of several banks
Maersk - stop deliveries to / from Russia - goodbye gear with Ali express and ASOS
Mercedes - out of the country
Megogo - delete all Russian movies
Metro - dismissal of 10k employees
Mitsubishi - dismissal of employees of 141 service centers
Microsoft Office - a wide range of measures are being discussed
Mobile World Congress - refusal of accreditation for a delegation from the Russian Federation
NFT - a block of funds of users of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, the transfer of their money to Ukraine
NHL - full block for players from Russia
Netflix - block for Russian subscriptions, stop production of Russian TV series
Nike - close all stores
Nintendo - a ban on purchases in rubles
Nestle closes all 6 factories in Russia
OnlyFans - closure in the country
Paysera - blocking
PayPal - freezing accounts for withdrawal
Paramount - film distribution block
Parimatch - franchise withdrawn
Play Station - unable to complete payment
Pornhub - ban on access to content
Porsche - exit from Russia
Renault - exit from the market
Samsung pay - service blocking
Snapchat - out from the app in Russia and Belarus
Scania - exit from the Russian Federation
SpaceX - delivery of Starlink to Ukraine
Shell - termination of the contract with Gazprom
Spotify - unable to pay for subscription
Sony - film distribution block
Twitter - you can not register accounts for citizens of the Russian Federation
TikTok - massive ban of aggressive fuckers and so-called media
Toyota - dismissal of 2,600 employees
UEFA - cancellation of the Champions League final in St. Petersburg, a ban on all clubs from participating in the Champions League and the Champions League, termination of the contract with the general sponsor Gazprom
UPS - complete ban on deliveries
Universal pictures - film distribution block
Visa - blocking banks under sanctions
Volvo - withdraw from the Russian Federation
Yandex - exclusion of company shares from quotations on the NY stock exchange
YouTube - blocking hundreds of RF channels and their monetization
Warner Bros cancels all film distribution
Webmoney - prohibition of transactions
Wolkswagen - go out of the country
Zoom - revocation of licenses for software development
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When you're banned from porn hub you've got to take a long hard look at the choices you've made.
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Quote ( Matthew Dunn @ March 2nd 2022,14:41:37 ) When you're banned from porn hub you've got to take a long hard look at the choices you've made.
A very hard, very long, look
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What a fantastic topic but i hate PUTIN! hopefully someone gets to him soon
vile human
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"Explain to me, Russians. If this is a special operation in the Donbass, why the hell are rockets flying into all regions of Ukraine?"
Very well said Sir !
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Matthew, sorry for the bad quote. I mean the words of Dmitry.
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Since 2014, Ukraine has been telling the whole world that Russia has attacked it and there is a war going on in Ukraine. It is now 2022, Russia has indeed brought its troops into the territory of Ukraine and Ukraine is telling the whole world that Russia has attacked it. If Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022, it means it did not attack in 2014. Now the logical question. So Ukraine has been lying to the whole world for the last 8 years?
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You Did !!!
You attacked Crimea which is clearly Ukrainian !
You IF you were democratic could have voted on "leave" But Putin does not recognize "democratic"
Just like he doe's not recognize "invasion & civilian's"
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#1028 Yayınlanma zamanı: 2 Mar 2022, 14:51:35 (son değiştirilme 2 Mar 2022, 14:58:02 kim tarafından: Alexei Malkin)
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 2nd 2022,14:34:12 ) It is symptomatic that no one, under the flag of Russia on this forum, has recognized what is happening in full volume. just because of you don't listen us. First I've read is that I told that this war is the biggest mistake which could be happen. But it's not important for you, maybe because I'm Russian, maybe not, no idea why. You didn't catch my point somewhy.
All I try to do is to let people find a role of other coutries in this conflict, because it's important for the world future.
There are at least few people on this forum who understood what I'm talking about, I'm happy with that. For the others, it's their choice who to listen.
Quote ( Dave Sunderland @ March 2nd 2022,14:51:00 ) You attacked Crimea which is clearly Ukrainian !
No one attacked it. Yes, Russia played dirty and stole this territory, but it's wasn't an attack.
Btw, ask people from Crimea, they are pretty happy with what happened. One of them posted few messages here in this thread
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Quote ( Dmitry Starostachev @ March 2nd 2022,14:44:55 ) Since 2014, Ukraine has been telling the whole world that Russia has attacked it and there is a war going on in Ukraine. It is now 2022, Russia has indeed brought its troops into the territory of Ukraine and Ukraine is telling the whole world that Russia has attacked it. If Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022, it means it did not attack in 2014. Now the logical question. So Ukraine has been lying to the whole world for the last 8 years?
Ukraine constantly talked about this, but in 2014, after Crimea and Donbass, almost no one reacted to this. The result is now outside my windows.
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 2nd 2022,14:51:35 ) Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 2nd 2022,14:34:12 )
It is symptomatic that no one, under the flag of Russia on this forum, has recognized what is happening in full volume. just because of you don't listen us. First I've read is that I told that this war is the biggest mistake which could be happen. But it's not important for you, maybe because I'm Russian, maybe not, no idea why. You didn't catch my point somewhy.
All I try to do is to let people find a role of other coutries in this conflict, because it's important for the world future.
There are at least few people on this forum who understood what I'm talking about, I'm happy with that. For the others, it's their choice who to listen.
I think you're being treated somewhat unfairly in this forum. Whilst I do not agree with a lot of what you have said, and clearly you disagree with somethings I think, you do seem to be somewhat pragmatic.
I think this war is an abomination, and unjustified, maybe we disagree on that, but at least you acknowledge it is a war. I also agree that the west is not 100% innocent in this modern cold war becoming hot and recognizing where we have made mistakes is important. So I welcome your comments to understand how this could have been avoided with the actions from the west, but still I put the lions share of responsibility for this disaster on Putin.
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Quote ( Dmitry Starostachev @ March 2nd 2022,14:44:55 ) Since 2014, Ukraine has been telling the whole world that Russia has attacked it and there is a war going on in Ukraine. It is now 2022, Russia has indeed brought its troops into the territory of Ukraine and Ukraine is telling the whole world that Russia has attacked it. If Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022, it means it did not attack in 2014. Now the logical question. So Ukraine has been lying to the whole world for the last 8 years?
helmet! there can be no explanation from anyone that Russia are doing the right thing.
Ive always thought Russians were weird and now its confirmed
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Its hard to listen to someone who bombs kids that speak the same language as they do.Those are your historical brothers.I am sure there are great russian people.the ones that write stuff like above are just delusional, and should be ignored.You can't believe them in good faith when you see people dying there.In the mean time, I've donated for a relief fund for Ukraine.And I see, some russians put a 1 million dolar bounty for putin's head.Hopefully some of his advisors have seen the possibility for a quick cashgrab.
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#1033 Yayınlanma zamanı: 2 Mar 2022, 15:06:40 (son değiştirilme 2 Mar 2022, 15:07:44 kim tarafından: Matthew Dunn)
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Quote ( Dmitry Starostachev @ March 2nd 2022,14:44:55 ) Since 2014, Ukraine has been telling the whole world that Russia has attacked it and there is a war going on in Ukraine. It is now 2022, Russia has indeed brought its troops into the territory of Ukraine and Ukraine is telling the whole world that Russia has attacked it. If Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022, it means it did not attack in 2014. Now the logical question. So Ukraine has been lying to the whole world for the last 8 years?
If we invaded in 2014 amd occupied part of the countey how could we invade in 2022 is your argument?
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Quote ( Matthew Dunn @ March 2nd 2022,15:06:40 ) Quote ( Dmitry Starostachev @ March 2nd 2022,14:44:55 )
Since 2014, Ukraine has been telling the whole world that Russia has attacked it and there is a war going on in Ukraine. It is now 2022, Russia has indeed brought its troops into the territory of Ukraine and Ukraine is telling the whole world that Russia has attacked it. If Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022, it means it did not attack in 2014. Now the logical question. So Ukraine has been lying to the whole world for the last 8 years?
If we invaded in 2014 amd occupied part of the countey how could we invade in 2022 is your argument?
Yeah, some of their comments here are mind blowing.then again, I see blowing stuff up is the russian way of solving things.
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Quote ( Matthew Dunn @ March 2nd 2022,15:01:11 ) I think this war is an abomination, and unjustified, maybe we disagree on that, but at least you acknowledge it is a war. I also agree that the west is not 100% innocent in this modern cold war becoming hot and recognizing where we have made mistakes is important. So I welcome your comments to understand how this could have been avoided with the actions from the west, but still I put the lions share of responsibility for this disaster on Putin. that's a full copy of my thoughts. Thank you for your understanding.
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Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 2nd 2022,14:51:35 ) just because of you don't listen us. First I've read is that I told that this war is the biggest mistake which could be happen. But it's not important for you, maybe because I'm Russian, maybe not, no idea why. You didn't catch my point somewhy.
All I try to do is to let people find a role of other coutries in this conflict, because it's important for the world future.
There are at least few people on this forum who understood what I'm talking about, I'm happy with that. For the others, it's their choice who to listen.
all this talk about how war is bad and peace is good is populism. Abstraction, nothing more. But the further text proves what you really want to do.
"find the role of other states in this conflict" ... war, war, not conflict.
I have no hatred for Russians. but I cannot relate well to people who cannot directly say that their country is a killer and there are no excuses for what is happening and cannot be beaten.
I have no hatred for Russians. but I can't relate well to people who can't directly say that their country is a killer and justify what is happening.
When I say that Russia is killing civilians here, they tell me, wait, let's talk about what the role of other countries is - I can only advise you to follow the path of the Russian warship
Quote ( Alexei Malkin @ March 2nd 2022,14:51:35 ) No one attacked it. Yes, Russia played dirty and stole this territory, but it's wasn't an attack.
Btw, ask people from Crimea, they are pretty happy with what happened. One of them posted few messages here in this thread
again a lie. "didn't attack" and "didn't fight" are two different things.
Russia attacked Crimea, but then Ukraine could not resist and gave it up without a war. By the way, at that time there were also losses among civilians, for example, the Crimean Tatars, who are the indigenous population of the peninsula, but no one was interested in them
You are again appealing to some abstract Crimeans who like everything. I appeal to 250,000 Crimean Tatars who do not want to live in the Russian Crimea.
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Quote ( Dmitry Serebryakov @ March 2nd 2022,13:46:44 ) A very significant moment.
There is a war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, we are actively expressing our positions here in the forum. At the same time, we are clearly not military here, we are civilians.
But.
The Ukrainians demand to ban the Russians in the game, remove the flags, the anthem, the Sochi stage. And the Russians do not call for anything like this in relation to the Ukrainians.
This is a very revealing projection of the attitudes towards each other of the civilian people of these countries.
in my book, Ukrainians can say what they like on here and they won’t offend me, in fact you are justified in your frustration.
Russia is the one conducting the “special military operation” which involves killing our European brothers, sisters and children in cold blood.
bullshit all you like, Russians and your puppets from Belarus. You are the aggressors.
Stay strong Ukrainians you got this👍🏻
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Quote ( Victor Toma @ March 2nd 2022,15:06:22 ) I've donated for a relief fund for Ukraine.
thank you very much. thank you for accepting our refugees - children and women
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#1039 Yayınlanma zamanı: 2 Mar 2022, 15:28:27 (son değiştirilme 2 Mar 2022, 15:36:08 kim tarafından: Dave Hawkes)
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Was there any reason why Ukraine didn't ask for no fly zone whilst Russian troops were on the border, before they invaded ?
Yea I know it is after the fact now, just curious.
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Quote ( Victor Toma @ March 2nd 2022,15:10:11 ) Если мы вторглись в 2014 году и оккупировали часть страны, как мы могли вторгнуться в 2022 году-ваш аргумент? Я не говорил, что Россия вторгалась в Украину в 2014 году и оккупировала часть страны. Об этом 8 лет твердила Украина. По логике вещей невозможно куда то вторгнуться если ты уже там. Если Украина говорит, что Россия вторглась сейчас, то значит в 2014 Россия ни куда не вторгалась. А это значит, что Украина 8 лет лгала о вторжении России.
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Quote ( Dave Hawkes @ March 2nd 2022,15:28:27 ) Was there any reason why Ukraine didn't ask for no fly zone whilst Russian troops were on the border, before they invaded ?
it requires the intervention of NATO countries. NATO and Biden have repeatedly stated that they will not allow a direct clash with Russia. At the moment, despite the petition in support of this, the Allies do not agree to such a step in any way.
I can only assume that unofficially Zelensky was informed of this long before the start of hostilities
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Quote ( Victor Toma @ March 2nd 2022,15:06:22 ) Трудно слушать кого-то, кто бомбит детей, которые говорят на том же языке, что и они.Это ваши исторические братья.Я уверен, что есть великие русские люди.те, кто пишет такие вещи, как выше, просто бредят, и их следует игнорировать.Вы не можете верить им добросовестно, когда видите, как там умирают люди.Между тем, я пожертвовал в фонд помощи Украине.И я вижу, некоторые русские назначили награду в 1 миллион доларов за голову Путина.Надеюсь, некоторые из его советников увидели возможность быстрого кэшграба. Ну ты же слушаешь тех кто 8 лет бомбил детей, которые говорили на том же языке, своих исторических братьев. Ты им даже что то пожертвовал, что бы они продолжали это делать. Это называется лицемерие.
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Quote ( Dmitry Starostachev @ March 2nd 2022,15:32:14 ) Я не говорил, что Россия вторгалась в Украину в 2014 году и оккупировала часть страны. Об этом 8 лет твердила Украина. По логике вещей невозможно куда то вторгнуться если ты уже там. Если Украина говорит, что Россия вторглась сейчас, то значит в 2014 Россия ни куда не вторгалась. А это значит, что Украина 8 лет лгала о вторжении России.
according to your logic, if a person’s leg is taken away, and after eight years the arm, then the taking of the leg somehow doesn’t count
in 2014 it invaded the Donbass and the Crimea, in 2022 it attacks the rest along the whole !!! borders. Including from the territory of Belarus
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@Dmitry Starostachev (A48) and all others, please keep it all in English as per GPRO Forum rules.
I for one of the westerners am unable to read Cyrillic script, never was in a position where is was required or prudent. This also includes texts and video's linked in here, which is a bit of a (personal) frustration. Debate all you want, but I kindly request to keep it in English so we all can read what's posted ...
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Quote ( Victor Toma @ March 2nd 2022,15:06:22 ) Its hard to listen to someone who bombs kids that speak the same language as they do.Those are your historical brothers.I am sure there are great russian people.the ones that write stuff like above are just delusional, and should be ignored.You can't believe them in good faith when you see people dying there.In the mean time, I've donated for a relief fund for Ukraine.And I see, some russians put a 1 million dolar bounty for putin's head.Hopefully some of his advisors have seen the possibility for a quick cashgrab.
can you share the link please Victor. I’d like to donate and I’m sure a lot of the civilised community on GPRO, would also.
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#1046 Yayınlanma zamanı: 2 Mar 2022, 15:47:06 (son değiştirilme 2 Mar 2022, 15:49:44 kim tarafından: Alexei Malkin)
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 2nd 2022,15:17:13 ) again a lie. "didn't attack" and "didn't fight" are two different things. That's only an English language difference. You are again calling me liar without understanding me. I already used for it, so do whatever you like. But there was no war there, it was more peacefully than I expected and over 85% of Crimea citizens are happy by my feelings. We can ask Crimea people about their feelings, I can be wrong with this value.
Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 2nd 2022,15:17:13 ) all this talk about how war is bad and peace is good is populism. Abstraction, nothing more. But the further text proves what you really want to do.
"find the role of other states in this conflict" ... war, war, not conflict. You're just unable to understand me, as you unable to understand what happened in your country.
I know why we came to this things we have now. I don't know exactly how to change it, but I think about it for years. I know the reasons, I act with using this information.
Your country has huge problems. Your government also is responsible for his mistakes, of which there were a lot, which you don't want to admit. If you're unable to see this problems, you have no chances to solve it. And better don't tell that your government is great after all that stupid things they did, which already were discussed here.
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In Russia, the authorities are continuing to crack down on independent news coverage of what the Kremlin describes as its "special military operation" in Ukraine.
Last night, the authorities took independent radio station Ekho Moskvy off the air and blocked access to the website of leading independent internet TV channel Dozhd.
In recent days, the authorities have sent threatening letters to a number of independent media demanding they take content about the war in Ukraine down or be blocked.
According to the demands, media are not allowed to use words such as "war" and "invasion" and must not include "unverified" (i.e. not from official state sources) information about civilian casualties and killed and injured troops.
Today, Ekho Moskvy has said the prosecutor’s office is trying to block the station’s social media accounts too. Both Ekho and Dozhd continue to be hosted on some services like YouTube.
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Quote ( Alessandro Casagrande @ March 1st 2022,21:27:07 ) When you close the Northern Streams, how much will America sell gas to you for? Are you ready for this?
You can bet on this!
Do you see how much gas costs now?
It seems more than $2000
Calculate how much the prices of your goods will rise.
Gas is free for Russia, do you know that?
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Quote ( Ihor Rusnak @ March 2nd 2022,14:34:12 ) Pornhub - ban on access to content
What a cruel blow!
Now the whole Russian army is capitulating!
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